Would you ever marry a non-buharian jew?
Please provide reason for your answer.

Well, there would definitely be a civil war within the family I image, but there have been cases when Bukharians have married non-Bukharian Jews, and sadly non-Jews.
When I was younger I thought I wanted to marry an Ashkenzai Jew. I did not speak any Russian or associate with Bukharian or Russian speaking friends for the most part. My parents were very disappointed. Since then I have changed my mind. I love knowing that I am at an advantage over the average American because I can speak another lagunage fluently. Often times, there are a lot of notes past around between me and my friends in Russian. It's actually very useful.
I think that marriage is difficult enough without additional differences between the couple. If they come from a similar background it is easier to understand one another and therefore get along better. And of course it is also important to preserve our culture.

Would you ever marry a non-buharian jew?
Please provide reason for your answer.

No, because my stomach can not tolerate their food. I try to be open minded to other culture yet my stomach has a mind of it own. If she is willing to learn how to cook Bukharian dishes than I have no objections.

Would you ever marry a non-buharian jew?
Please provide reason for your answer.
hmm.. that's a very good question. well a non-jew is definately off my list, but when it comes to ashkenaz vs. bukharian? I agree with Natasha when she says that marriage is hard enough, why let cultural difference complicate it ferther, but on the other hand there are ashkenazi guys/gals that are very flexible and can easily integrate into the bukharian culture. So I'm not really sure :innoc04: . I guess time will tell. What I haven't considered is how will my parents take it? hmm...

hmm.. that's a very good question. well a non-jew is definately off my list, but when it comes to ashkenaz vs. bukharian? I agree with Natasha when she says that marriage is hard enough, why let cultural difference complicate it ferther, but on the other hand there are ashkenazi guys/gals that are very flexible and can easily integrate into the bukharian culture. So I'm not really sure :innoc04: . I guess time will tell. What I haven't considered is how will my parents take it? hmm...

Why would an ahkenadzi have to blend in to the buharian culture? If you were to fall in love, wouldn't you try to blend into that person's culture?
Or is your anwer really, only if he/she blends into buharian culture?

No, because my stomach can not tolerate their food. I try to be open minded to other culture yet my stomach has a mind of it own. If she is willing to learn how to cook Bukharian dishes than I have no objections.
Indeed! :party11: As bukharian man's famouse saying goes: "Ishkami ser, quvati she'r" :party20:

Well, there would definitely be a civil war within the family I image, but there have been cases when Bukharians have married non-Bukharian Jews, and sadly non-Jews.
When I was younger I thought I wanted to marry an Ashkenzai Jew. I did not speak any Russian or associate with Bukharian or Russian speaking friends for the most part. My parents were very disappointed. Since then I have changed my mind. I love knowing that I am at an advantage over the average American because I can speak another lagunage fluently. Often times, there are a lot of notes past around between me and my friends in Russian. It's actually very useful.
I think that marriage is difficult enough without additional differences between the couple. If they come from a similar background it is easier to understand one another and therefore get along better. And of course it is also important to preserve our culture.

I agree with you on the fact that marriage is hard enough without adding cultural differences to it. But what I find interesting is that most ashkenadzi jews would be willing to marry buharian if they fall in love, but not that many buharians would marry ashkenadzi jews.
It makes me sad to see that we are all jews and we make conflict for ourselves. We have enough anti-semetism in the world, I don't think we ourseles should be adding to this. Jews are jews. But it is still interesting to hear people's opinions on this.

Я считаю что главное чтобы ваша половина была хорошим человеком и евреем/еврейкой, а остальное всё второстепенное. Ко всему можно привыкнут, к еде тоже.

У ашкеназов нет таких средневековых комплексов :mad: как у бухарских. Что обьясняет их толерантност в выборе партнёра вне их обсчины. И вообсче сейчас меж-обсчинные женитьбы сплошь и рядом, особенно среди религиозных.

Я считаю что главное чтобы ваша половина была хорошим человеком и евреем/еврейкой, а остальное всё второстепенное. Ко всему можно привыкнут, к еде тоже.



скажите, а с такими у которых мама нееврейка а папа бухарский стоит встречатся?

hmm.. that's a very good question. well a non-jew is definately off my list, but when it comes to ashkenaz vs. bukharian? I agree with Natasha when she says that marriage is hard enough, why let cultural difference complicate it ferther, but on the other hand there are ashkenazi guys/gals that are very flexible and can easily integrate into the bukharian culture. So I'm not really sure :innoc04: . I guess time will tell. What I haven't considered is how will my parents take it? hmm...


I think I know the answer to that :evilgr39:

скажите, а с такими у которых мама нееврейка а папа бухарский стоит встречатся?

В большинстве случаев нет так как у таких людей как правило нееврейская ориентация, но есть исключения.

What I haven't considered is how will my parents take it? hmm...

I have a close relative who married an ashkenazi woman against the will of his parents. For a while, they didn't talk to him. But once his grandparents died, his parents started to recognize their marriage. Now he is happily married for 20 years with three kids :happy65: . Should he have listened to his parents' advice and missed out on his happiness? I don't think so.

В большинстве случаев нет так как у таких людей как правило нееврейская ориентация, но есть исключения.

ориентация у неё еврейская, но по Галахе она гоя.
что скажите, Сер?

Ето дело поправимое. :bonk:

Ето дело поправимое. :bonk:


вы намикаете на конвертацию?
а если она неготова держать Шаббат по Галахе?
не ужь Равину врать придётся?

Why would an ahkenadzi have to blend in to the buharian culture? If you were to fall in love, wouldn't you try to blend into that person's culture?
Or is your anwer really, only if he/she blends into buharian culture?

No one has to blend into anything. If a couple so to speak in love with each other they'll learn to create their own traditions let's say "AshBukh". Remember that the religion is ONE.

Я считаю что главное чтобы ваша половина была хорошим человеком и евреем/еврейкой, а остальное всё второстепенное. Ко всему можно привыкнут, к еде тоже.

У ашкеназов нет таких средневековых комплексов :мад: как у бухарских. Что обьясняет их толерантност в выборе партнёра вне их обсчины. И вообсче сейчас меж-обсчинные женитьбы сплошь и рядом, особенно среди религиозных.


Можно если есть желание.

вы намикаете на конвертацию?
а если она неготова держать Шаббат по Галахе?
не ужь Равину врать придётся?
Если бы да кабы
Тогда во рту росли б грибы
И ето был б не рот а целий огород :happy08:

скажите, а с такими у которых мама нееврейка а папа бухарский стоит встречатся?


Можно, елси осторожно

Если бы да кабы
Тогда во рту росли б грибы
И ето был б не рот а целий огород :happy08:

thank for your steightfroward answer. :indiff21:

I agree with you on the fact that marriage is hard enough without adding cultural differences to it. But what I find interesting is that most ashkenadzi jews would be willing to marry buharian if they fall in love, but not that many buharians would marry ashkenadzi jews.
It makes me sad to see that we are all jews and we make conflict for ourselves. We have enough anti-semetism in the world, I don't think we ourseles should be adding to this. Jews are jews. But it is still interesting to hear people's opinions on this.

Personally I would want to marry a bukharian guy, but I think kazhdi znaet sam kak ei'/emy zhit'.

I think the reason why not many Bukharians are willing to marry Ashkenazi is because Bukharian people tend to have more conservative views than Ashkenazi people.

Personally I would want to marry a bukharian guy, but I think kazhdi znaet sam kak ei'/emy zhit'.

I think the reason why not many Bukharians are willing to marry Ashkenazi is because Bukharian people tend to have more conservative views than Ashkenazi people.

You make your mama proud :happy65: :happy25:

I think most of you confuse jewdaism with buharianism. A person who is Ashkenadzi, can be a very religious jew. Most of the responses that I see, are for some reason related to Ashkenadzi not being religious enough. So let's separate the two:
Whould you marry a non-buharian, religious jew? Please respond with the reason.

Personally I would want to marry a bukharian guy.
Inogda v zhizni nashi zhelaniya ne sovpadayut s nashimi vozmozhnostyami. :tongue21:

Personally I would want to marry a bukharian guy, but I think kazhdi znaet sam kak ei'/emy zhit'.

I think the reason why not many Bukharians are willing to marry Ashkenazi is because Bukharian people tend to have more conservative views than Ashkenazi people.


Conservative religious views or conservative cultural views? Please provide an example?

Inogda v zhizni nashi zhelaniya ne sovpadayut s nashimi vozmozhnostyami. :tongue21:

Так випьем за то чтобы наши желания совподали с нашими возможностями :party11: :party07: :party04:

I think most of you confuse jewdaism with buharianism. A person who is Ashkenadzi, can be a very religious jew. Most of the responses that I see, are for some reason related to Ashkenadzi not being religious enough. So let's separate the two:
Whould you marry a non-buharian, religious jew? Please respond with the reason.
one does not have to be religious in order to have conservative views. I meant conservative cultural views.

Inogda v zhizni nashi zhelaniya ne sovpadayut s nashimi vozmozhnostyami. http://forums.boojle.com/images/smilies/tongue21.gif
a chto takoi pessimism?


Так випьем за то чтобы наши желания совподали с нашими возможностями :party11: :party07: :party04: konechno nado za eto vipit' :party11: :happy65:

Would you ever marry a non-buharian jew?
Please provide reason for your answer.

My view is: a Jew is a Jew is a Jew, a Jewess is a Jewess is a Jewess. Having said that, since my personal background has been "traditional" -- observing some laws but generally living a secular life otherwise (at least as a child), it'd be hard to find enough common ground with "any" Jewess. So I'd prefer to consider someone who is closer to me -- but by what parameters? By spirit and by character, I'd think; which, in turn, would present enough commonality in our life together. So that we'd be more likely to develop as individuals together, helping each other and building our futures, be that in spiritual or physical sense.

So then the question is: which group is more likely to represent that and provide high(est) degree of success? I would think that more naturally it'd come from Bukharian Jewish circle, but that it's entirely possible, though less likely, to come from other Jewish groups; though, of other groups, I'd probably more likely consider those who speak Russian as that's the next level of "cultural closeness" -- so Russian Jewesses, Georgian Jewesses, Carpathian Jewesses. With all that said, I'd still be open to those Jewesses who don't speak Russian if I find them good in "spirit and character" match with me.

In addition to the above, be that a Bukharian Jewess or some other Jewess, she will definitely need to know how to cook Bukharian dishes -- my stomach has its preferences. :)

I think I know the answer to that :evilgr39:

And what is it? :evilgr39:

I agree with you on the fact that marriage is hard enough without adding cultural differences to it. But what I find interesting is that most ashkenadzi jews would be willing to marry buharian if they fall in love, but not that many buharians would marry ashkenadzi jews.
It makes me sad to see that we are all jews and we make conflict for ourselves. We have enough anti-semetism in the world, I don't think we ourseles should be adding to this. Jews are jews. But it is still interesting to hear people's opinions on this.


It does not mean that Bukharian Jews hate Ashkenazi Jews. Bukharian Jews are perhaps a bit more logical and than romantic. There are many Bukharian Jews who have married Ashkenazim (even from my family and they live beautiful and happy lives), but for the most part we grow up knowing that we have to marry within our own culture. It is easier to find common ground that way.

No one has to blend into anything. If a couple so to speak in love with each other they'll learn to create their own traditions let's say "AshBukh". Remember that the religion is ONE.


hehe..I think Bukhanazi sounds better

I think most of you confuse jewdaism with buharianism. A person who is Ashkenadzi, can be a very religious jew. Most of the responses that I see, are for some reason related to Ashkenadzi not being religious enough. So let's separate the two:
Whould you marry a non-buharian, religious jew? Please respond with the reason.

Lenchik, are you that kind? If yes, feel free to send me your pic. (Need to evaluate you.) ;)

Lenchik, are you that kind? If yes, feel free to send me your pic. (Need to evaluate you.) ;)

What kind is THAT kind?

What kind is THAT kind?


....Whould you marry a non-buharian, religious jew? Please respond with the reason.

I took this quote from your previous post. Hope that it is clear now. :smoke:

I took this quote from your previous post. Hope that it is clear now. :smoke:

I am confused. Are you asking me if I would marry a non-buharian?

I am confused. Are you asking me if I would marry a non-buharian?

You are confused because you do not remember what you have written before. :fight56:

No, I am not asking you if you would marry a non-bukharian. I am asking "Are you that kind?" You asked me what kind is THAT kind. So I referred you back to your post: the one who is "non-bukharian religious jew".

Oy vey. I may have to wait for more questions now since I have a feeling that you will get even more confused. But that is fine. It is alright to be confused. Not that I was the cause of your confusion. :D

You are confused because you do not remember what you have written before. :fight56:

No, I am not asking you if you would marry a non-bukharian. I am asking "Are you that kind?" You asked me what kind is THAT kind. So I referred you back to your post: the one who is "non-bukharian religious jew".

Oy vey. I may have to wait for more questions now since I have a feeling that you will get even more confused. But that is fine. It is alright to be confused. Not that I was the cause of your confusion. :D

Ohhhhhhhhhh, now I get it. But to anwer your question, I am not "non-bukharian, religious jew". I am a non-bukharian, non-religious jew. Does that anwer your question?

Ohhhhhhhhhh, now I get it. But to anwer your question, I am not "non-bukharian, religious jew". I am a non-bukharian, non-religious jew. Does that anwer your question?

Phew ... finally. :happy65:

What signifies to be a religious jew? Is non-religious jew mean a jew without any religion or a jew void of judaism? Is judaism a religion?

Just few question for everyone to ponder about ;)

Phew ... finally. :happy65:

What signifies to be a religious jew? Is non-religious jew mean a jew without any religion or a jew void of judaism? Is judaism a religion?

Just few question for everyone to ponder about ;)


I believe that Judaism is a religion, a nationality and ethnicity.

Phew ... finally. :happy65:

What signifies to be a religious jew? Is non-religious jew mean a jew without any religion or a jew void of judaism? Is judaism a religion?

Just few question for everyone to ponder about ;)

I don't see myself as a jew without a religion. I obey some laws, like fasting on Yom Kipur and only gonna marry a jew. But I very much believe that I am jewish. Let's just say that I am jewish at heart. I was born jewish and I will die jewish. So just because one person is not religious, does not mean that he doesn't have a religion.

I don't see myself as a jew without a religion. I obey some laws, like fasting on Yom Kipur and only gonna marry a jew. But I very much believe that I am jewish. Let's just say that I am jewish at heart. I was born jewish and I will die jewish. So just because one person is not religious, does not mean that he doesn't have a religion.

I agree with you in some sence, but does the same apply to atheist?

I don't see myself as a jew without a religion. I obey some laws, like fasting on Yom Kipur and only gonna marry a jew. But I very much believe that I am jewish. Let's just say that I am jewish at heart. I was born jewish and I will die jewish. So just because one person is not religious, does not mean that he doesn't have a religion.

You are trying to contradict yourself. What does it mean to have a religion? Does it mean that you have it just to shove it in a shelf? :bonk:

What does it mean to have a religion? Does it mean that you have it just to shove it in a shelf? :bonk:

It means which religion you practice.
The level of observance depends on a personal conviction.
I ask you not to shove your observance level to others.

It means which religion you practice.
The level of observance depends on a personal conviction.
I ask you not to shove your observance level to others.

Good. I am glad you are differentiating two things: level of observance and religiousness. Non-religious means having no religion. The level of observance may vary for a religious person. For non-religious person you can not talk about levels :fight56:

Non-religious means having no religion. For non-religious person you can not talk about levels :fight56:

I think by stating "nonreligious" she simply meant that she isn't as observant as you may be.

Why would an ahkenadzi have to blend in to the buharian culture? If you were to fall in love, wouldn't you try to blend into that person's culture?
Or is your anwer really, only if he/she blends into buharian culture?
No negative connotation was intended on my part. On the contrary I admire that (flexibility). I find stubbornness is the root of marital discord. I may be wrong, but so far from my incounters I find that azhkenazi are more open and flexible when it comes to cultural intergration. My impression is that we bukharians are too proud of a people; chotim pokozat' svoyo ya. >>>not applicable to all bukharian's, there are many exceptions. To be honest with you, yes I would prefer my husband to integrate into my family, costums and traditions, it would be easier. Of course that does not take away from my responsibility of making him feel like a king in his new kingdom :evilgr39:

Personally I would want to marry a bukharian guy, but I think kazhdi znaet sam kak ei'/emy zhit'.

I think the reason why not many Bukharians are willing to marry Ashkenazi is because Bukharian people tend to have more conservative views than Ashkenazi people.
My point exactly!!

Thank you Tzentrist.
This is exactly what I mean. Non-religious does not mean that I have no religion. It just means that I know what my religion is but I do not strictly follow it. I don't belive that your religion is defined by how seriously you observe. I know the rules and I try to follow them, but it doesn't make me any less of a jew than you!!!!

I think I know the answer to that :evilgr39:
u always know the answer...don't u!?

Thank you Tzentrist.
This is exactly what I mean. Non-religious does not mean that I have no religion. It just means that I know what my religion is but I do not strictly follow it. I don't belive that your religion is defined by how seriously you observe. I know the rules and I try to follow them, but it doesn't make me any less of a jew than you!!!!
religiousness should not be ranked based on how much a person keeps, but on the willingness to keep striving higher, reaching greater heights and keeping things to the best of your ability. Non of us have the right to judge who's more/less religious, because only G-d knows whats really going on in the heart of a person and how hard/not hard he's trying. We have no right to descriminate; and I'm talking to both religious and irreligous members.

Thank you Tzentrist.
This is exactly what I mean. Non-religious does not mean that I have no religion. It just means that I know what my religion is but I do not strictly follow it. I don't belive that your religion is defined by how seriously you observe. I know the rules and I try to follow them, but it doesn't make me any less of a jew than you!!!!

So you are religious :happy05:

So you are religious :happy05:

No, I am not religious, but I am jewish. I am a non-practicing religious jew!!!

hehe..I think Bukhanazi sounds better


lolz, or that

I don't see myself as a jew without a religion. I obey some laws, like fasting on Yom Kipur and only gonna marry a jew. But I very much believe that I am jewish. Let's just say that I am jewish at heart. I was born jewish and I will die jewish. So just because one person is not religious, does not mean that he doesn't have a religion.


Liking fasting on Yom Kippur does not make one a religious person, no offence. Reform Jews fast on Yom Kippur, yet they drive to synagogue on this holiest day of the year. That's does not make them religious. It's desecrating a religion. I'm not trying to judge anyone here, I'm just expressing my opinion.

I believe that Judaism is a religion, a nationality and ethnicity.

Yep, it's package deal :happy25:

Liking fasting on Yom Kippur does not make one a religious person, no offence. Reform Jews fast on Yom Kippur, yet they drive to synagogue on this holiest day of the year. That's does not make them religious. It's desecrating a religion. I'm not trying to judge anyone here, I'm just expressing my opinion.

Like I said before, I am not religious. But there are a few things that I do, like fast on Yom Kipur. But that does not make me any less of a jew then you!!!!

Like I said before, I am not religious. But there are a few things that I do, like fast on Yom Kipur. But that does not make me any less of a jew then you!!!!


So what did you mean by saing "I don't see myself as a jew without a religion"?

Well, isn't the beauty of Judaism is that one is born a jew? And i always believed that one does not have to be religious in order to be a jew. So, how much does it really matter if an individual is a jew with religion or not?
Also, I think whether an individual follows the rules of the religion or not, I think is between that person and God. And once again, because Judaism is a religion, a nationality and ethnicity an individual is not obligated to observe the religion in order to be a Jew.

Well, isn't the beauty of Judaism is that one is born a jew? And i always believed that one does not have to be religious in order to be a jew. So, how much does it really matter if an individual is a jew with religion or not?
Also, I think whether an individual follows the rules of the religion or not, I think is between that person and God. And once again, because Judaism is a religion, a nationality and ethnicity an individual is not obligated to observe the religion in order to be a Jew.

Thank you Tssipa. You took the words right out of my mouth!!!! :D
You just anwered his question.

Thank you Tssipa. You took the words right out of my mouth!!!! :D
You just anwered his question.

I agree with Tsippa also, but my question to you is still open, she did not answer the question for you.
So there goes the question again: What did you mean by saing "I don't see myself as a jew without a religion"?

Reading some of these exchanges, I think there's a confusion in people's minds about belief and religion. A person may have the belief and, inspired by it, follow certain or all laws, which would fall into category of observance of religion. If the person doesn't observe all the laws, that, in my opinion, can't qualify automatically as non-religious person. There ARE levels of observance and, therefore, religiousity. That does not, indeed, make, for example, a Jew less of a Jew -- Jew is both ethnicity AND religion. A born Jew is a Jew there's no escape from the ethnical Jew part, no matter how much someone might try.

I agree with you in some sence, but does the same apply to atheist?

It can be argued that atheism is a form of religion -- an atheist has certain laws, certain attributes, certain morals, etc.

I agree with Tsippa also, but my question to you is still open, she did not answer the question for you.
So there goes the question again: What did you mean by saing "I don't see myself as a jew without a religion"?

What I meant by this is just because I am not THAT religious compare to most of you, I am still a jew and a jew should not be defined by the level of the religiousness (if such a word exists :) ).
This is my distinction:
1. Everyone who is born jewish is JEWISH (if mama is jewish). There is no such a thing as one person being more jewish then another. During Holocaust, jewish people were murdered no matter how religious they were. So whether u are really religious or don't observe at all, you are still considered jews.
2. Those that are strictly religious, just interpret jewdaism in a stricker way.