Why is premarital sex considered bad in Bukharian culture?

Why is premarital sex considered bad in Bukharian culture?

For the same reasons it was or is considered bad in other cultures.

heheheh, But I think it's buharian men's way of controlling buharian females. It seems guys can't handle another guy comming up to them and saying, "Ya bil s tvoei zhhenoi...." or similar things. Meanwhile i also don't understand, why would anyone come up and say that?

Why is premarital sex considered bad in Bukharian culture?

From what I know, it's considered bad in Jewish culture. Are you saying Bukharian Jews are the only ones left to think so? I think other Jewish groups consider that to be the case too, provided they are familiar enough with concepts presented in Judaism. :)

From what I know, it's considered bad in Jewish culture. Are you saying Bukharian Jews are the only ones left to think so? I think other Jewish groups consider that to be the case too, provided they are familiar enough with concepts presented in Judaism. :)

Israeli jews practice premarital sex. I believe that this little tradition outlived itself.

Israeli jews practice premarital sex. I believe that this little tradition outlived itself.


Israeli people practice many things, and no one said that they set the standards.

For the same reasons it was or is considered bad in other cultures.

heheheh, But I think it's buharian men's way of controlling buharian females. It seems guys can't handle another guy comming up to them and saying, "Ya bil s tvoei zhhenoi...." or similar things. Meanwhile i also don't understand, why would anyone come up and say that?

I agree with you, however I would like to add to that. Not only are they afraid that someone is gonna come up to them, but I also think that they are sexually insecure. Any men in my opinion, who wants to marry a virgin, has preservations about his sexual abilities. I am not saying that only Bukharian men want to marry virgins, but other cultures, such as Gruzini want to marry virgins also.
Sex is one of the major commponents of marriage, whether or not we want to admit it. And I frankly happen to think, that men are afraid more of compitition then of someone comming up to them and telling them, that they were with his woman. B/c the response to that can always be, " And now I see why she is no longer with you."
So, I am also wondering how many men, will actually admit this as the true reason for wanting to marry virgins????

Israeli people practice many things, and no one said that they set the standards.

You are right, they don't set the standards but they are NON-Bukharian Religious Jews.

Israeli jews practice premarital sex. I believe that this little tradition outlived itself.

but do they practice Judaism?

I agree with you, however I would like to add to that. Not only are they afraid that someone is gonna come up to them, but I also think that they are sexually insecure. Any men in my opinion, who wants to marry a virgin, has preservations about his sexual abilities. I am not saying that only Bukharian men want to marry virgins, but other cultures, such as Gruzini want to marry virgins also.
Sex is one of the major commponents of marriage, whether or not we want to admit it. And I frankly happen to think, that men are afraid more of compitition then of someone comming up to them and telling them, that they were with his woman. B/c the response to that can always be, " And now I see why she is no longer with you."
So, I am also wondering how many men, will actually admit this as the true reason for wanting to marry virgins????

Ya vam ne skazhu za vsyu Odessu... :)
But, there's this Jewish Law that, at the very least, very explicitly requires that a Kohen marry a virgin girl. Are you saying for a Kohen to ignore the Law to prove to anyone that he's superior sexually? If he's superior, why would he need to prove anything to anybody anyway? The best thing is to follow the Law -- it's there for a reason.

Israeli people practice many things, and no one said that they set the standards.

correct -- who said that standards should follow the lowest common denominator? (not that I say that of Israeli people).

Ya vam ne skazhu za vsyu Odessu... :)
But, there's this Jewish Law that, at the very least, very explicitly requires that a Kohen marry a virgin girl. Are you saying for a Kohen to ignore the Law to prove to anyone that he's superior sexually? If he's superior, why would he need to prove anything to anybody anyway? The best thing is to follow the Law -- it's there for a reason.

U just raise the whole other issue about the "SUPERIOR"? I am not gonna even go into this. We wouldn't want WWIII erupting on boojle, do we?

U just raise the whole other issue about the "SUPERIOR"? I am not gonna even go into this. We wouldn't want WWIII erupting on boojle, do we?

Actually, my point was different -- it was the Law. It was "strengthened" by the introduction of "superior" concept, but it'd be there even w/o "superior" concept.

Ya vam ne skazhu za vsyu Odessu... :)
But, there's this Jewish Law that, at the very least, very explicitly requires that a Kohen marry a virgin girl. Are you saying for a Kohen to ignore the Law to prove to anyone that he's superior sexually? If he's superior, why would he need to prove anything to anybody anyway? The best thing is to follow the Law -- it's there for a reason.

If I understand correctly, the law says that a Kohen male must marry a virgin girl. If I'm not mistaken, the law doesn't say that a man himself can not have sex before marriage, so that makes this arguement about a male breaking a law to prove he's superior sexually a little weak.

I agree with you, however I would like to add to that. Not only are they afraid that someone is gonna come up to them, but I also think that they are sexually insecure. Any men in my opinion, who wants to marry a virgin, has preservations about his sexual abilities. I am not saying that only Bukharian men want to marry virgins, but other cultures, such as Gruzini want to marry virgins also.
Sex is one of the major commponents of marriage, whether or not we want to admit it. And I frankly happen to think, that men are afraid more of compitition then of someone comming up to them and telling them, that they were with his woman. B/c the response to that can always be, " And now I see why she is no longer with you."
So, I am also wondering how many men, will actually admit this as the true reason for wanting to marry virgins????

there are also other psychological factors that makes them want to have a virgin.
-virgin person supposedly waited for the one-->this will make the one feel special
-virgin person supposedly never been touched by anyone-->we all like that what is untouched
-person who will have the virgin, will be the first one--> we all strive to be first
-the first person who will be with the virgin will never be forgoten, will hold that special place in virgin's heart-->we all want to be someone's special person

Why is premarital sex considered bad in Bukharian culture?

I myself have thought about this question a lot. I even questioned adults around me about it. Everytime I question adults, I get a lecture about cleanliness in women, and how anatomicaly, if a woman sleeps around she is unclean.

In my young, and very immature mind, I am not sure that I'd agree with this. I think there is too much at steak when one goes into a marriage already. I think premarital sex can act as a "glue" and bond 2 partners even more together. However, I believe there has to be a line drawn between sleeping around with a boyfriend/girlfriend/fiance, and sleeping around with many different partners (some of whose names you don't even know ;) ).

Even though I say this, there probably are many different and good reasons why one should not have premarital sexual intercourse. I think this is a great topic for discussion.

Why is premarital sex considered bad in Bukharian culture?

Just to add to this a little bit, it would be nice to know how everyone here would define sexual intercourse. Would oral sex be concidered sexual intercourse? Where does kissing fall into this picture? Is that forbitten too?

If I understand correctly, the law says that a Kohen male must marry a virgin girl. If I'm not mistaken, the law doesn't say that a man himself can not have sex before marriage, so that makes this arguement about a male breaking a law to prove he's superior sexually a little weak.

No, it does not. Nor was I saying that by this Law the male is not allowed to have pre-marital sex. If you read to what I responded, it was talking about female approach -- "if the female has experience with many males, then when she encounters an "inferior" person, she'll know from her experience; hence, the prohibition", it was argued (I'm paraphrasing) -- "so that she would not be able to compare and figure that out". Therefore the question: does a male have to go against the law and be fine with the girl not being virgin just to prove his sexual superiority is quite relevant.

No, it does not. Nor was I saying that by this Law the male is not allowed to have pre-marital sex. If you read to what I responded, it was talking about female approach -- "if the female has experience with many males, then when she encounters an "inferior" person, she'll know from her experience; hence, the prohibition", it was argued (I'm paraphrasing) -- "so that she would not be able to compare and figure that out". Therefore the question: does a male have to go against the law and be fine with the girl not being virgin just to prove his sexual superiority is quite relevant.

I see...I misunderstood your statement first....Thanks for clarifying.

Ya vam ne skazhu za vsyu Odessu... :)
But, there's this Jewish Law that, at the very least, very explicitly requires that a Kohen marry a virgin girl. Are you saying for a Kohen to ignore the Law to prove to anyone that he's superior sexually? If he's superior, why would he need to prove anything to anybody anyway? The best thing is to follow the Law -- it's there for a reason.

A little correction here, only a Kohen Gadol is required by law to marry a virgin. The prohibition that other Kohanim have is not to marry a divorcee.

A little correction here, only a Kohen Gadol is required by law to marry a virgin. The prohibition that other Kohanim have is not to marry a divorcee.

I probably should know this but I dont...what's the difference between kohen gadol, and other kohanim?

A little correction here, only a Kohen Gadol is required by law to marry a virgin. The prohibition that other Kohanim have is not to marry a divorcee.

w/o going into The Book, which I'll do later, I recall it talks about other qualities that the girl should have, from which, even if it doesn't say directly, it can be inferred that the girl must be virgin. I think the exception is for a widow -- a Kohen is allowed to marry a widow, which is not presumed to be a virgin.

Just to add to this a little bit, it would be nice to know how everyone here would define sexual intercourse. Would oral sex be concidered sexual intercourse? Where does kissing fall into this picture? Is that forbitten too?

I agree with you 100%. There is a huge difference between sleeping around and having sexual relationship with boyfriend/fiance.
Oral sex, I think should also fall into the sexual intercourse catagory. Kissing on the other hand is totally different. I don't think it should be considered in this discussion.

I am very curious to hear female opinion on this!!! Come on girls, let us here you!!!!

w/o going into The Book, which I'll do later, I recall it talks about other qualities that the girl should have, from which, even if it doesn't say directly, it can be inferred that the girl must be virgin. I think the exception is for a widow -- a Kohen is allowed to marry a widow, which is not presumed to be a virgin.

"They shall not marry an immoral or profaned woman. They [also] must not marry a woman who has been divorced from her husband."

Also, as you mentioned, only Kohen Gadol is directly instructed to marry a virgin, but any Kohen is a potential Kohen Gadol, so the law can be interpreted to mean that every Kohen is instructed to do so. But even w/o this extrapolation, just looking at the law of not marrying "immoral and profaned woman", it can be argued that it's implied that the girl is to be a virgin.

A little correction here, only a Kohen Gadol is required by law to marry a virgin. The prohibition that other Kohanim have is not to marry a divorcee.

Also, I recall somebody telling me that Talmud talks about ways one gets married and, if I'm not mistaken, one way is through a sexual intercourse. If that holds true (I mean if the Law does indeed exist), then the non-virgin girl is automatically not a "single-never married" person. Not even a divorcee, but married? So that would be a disqualification from the pool of girls a Kohen can marry.

Just to add to this a little bit, it would be nice to know how everyone here would define sexual intercourse. Would oral sex be concidered sexual intercourse? Where does kissing fall into this picture? Is that forbitten too?

*** you should ask Bill Clinton, he should know how to address this question correctly. ***

It is cinsidered bad in every culture, that's why the words innocence and purity and virgin exist in all languages

Why is premarital sex considered bad in Bukharian culture?
I don't get it. Did you come here to ask us for permission or you are looking for support to justify your behaviour? :sign63: :mad54:

Why is premarital sex considered bad in Bukharian culture?


It's not just bad it's wrong, and not only in Bukharian culture it's in all cultures and religions :fight58:

For the same reasons it was or is considered bad in other cultures.

heheheh, But I think it's buharian men's way of controlling buharian females. It seems guys can't handle another guy comming up to them and saying, "Ya bil s tvoei zhhenoi...." or similar things. Meanwhile i also don't understand, why would anyone come up and say that?

Would you handle if another lady come up to you and say "Ya bila s tvoim muzhem???" :bonk: use your common sence

I don't get it. Did you come here to ask us for permission or you are looking for support to justify your behaviour? :sign63: :mad54:

First of all, I would not ask anyone for permission. I do as I please and I have my own head on my shoulders. Second of all, if that WAS my behavior, I would not need YOUR justification for it.
And third of all, it's interesting how if someone raises a topic for discussion, it is automatically considered in reference to that person.

And if you really wanna know why I asked that question is because

a) I am curious for the reasons of Bukharian culture on this topic
b) If you have not noticed this is the second most popular thread, which is right behind my other thread, "Would you ....."

In conclusion, do you know what happens when you ASSUME, you make an *** of U and ME. So please don't do that.

It's not just bad it's wrong, and not only in Bukharian culture it's in all cultures and religions :fight58:

Your anwer is not a reason, it's a statement.
It's the same as anwering, JUST BECAUSE.

Why do you say it's wrong???

Would you handle if another lady come up to you and say "Ya bila s tvoim muzhem???" :bonk: use your common sence


I have no problem with that, as long as it was before he met me.

It's not just bad it's wrong, and not only in Bukharian culture it's in all cultures and religions :fight58:

I hope you are referring to both males and famales.

Your anwer is not a reason, it's a statement.
It's the same as anwering, JUST BECAUSE.

Why do you say it's wrong???

Matrix's reason of why it is bad was because it is wrong....it is a valid reason as far as it matters :D

Why is it wrong? Because of morals.
Who dictates the morals? Community and Society.
What do they base their moral on? Law.
Which law? The one that was trasmitted to them. ;)

Now, by the law, one way of betrothing a woman is by cohabiting with her before the chuppa. Chuppa is a second stage in marriage. So if a man engages in a sexual intercourse with a woman before the chuppa, he is considered to perform kiddushin with her. Kiddushin is a first stage in a marriage process. Kiddushin means to "sanctify". He has acquired her by cohabiting with her. Now, to break the process of kiddushin he will need to write her a bill of divorce.

So probably primarital sex is wrong because it will increase the divorce rate in bukharian community :D

Matrix's reason of why it is bad was because it is wrong....it is a valid reason as far as it matters :D

Why is it wrong? Because of morals.
Who dictates the morals? Community and Society.
What do they base their moral on? Law.
Which law? The one that was trasmitted to them. ;)

Now, by the law, one way of betrothing a woman is by cohabiting with her before the chuppa. Chuppa is a second stage in marriage. So if a man engages in a sexual intercourse with a woman before the chuppa, he is considered to perform kiddushin with her. Kiddushin is a first stage in a marriage process. Kiddushin means to "sanctify". He has acquired her by cohabiting with her. Now, to break the process of kiddushin he will need to write her a bill of divorce.

So probably primarital sex is wrong because it will increase the divorce rate in bukharian community :D


That's exactly what I was trying to say :happy65:
Spasobo za podderzhku WisePeince

Matrix's reason of why it is bad was because it is wrong....it is a valid reason as far as it matters :D

Why is it wrong? Because of morals.
Who dictates the morals? Community and Society.
What do they base their moral on? Law.
Which law? The one that was trasmitted to them. ;)

Now, by the law, one way of betrothing a woman is by cohabiting with her before the chuppa. Chuppa is a second stage in marriage. So if a man engages in a sexual intercourse with a woman before the chuppa, he is considered to perform kiddushin with her. Kiddushin is a first stage in a marriage process. Kiddushin means to "sanctify". He has acquired her by cohabiting with her. Now, to break the process of kiddushin he will need to write her a bill of divorce.

So probably primarital sex is wrong because it will increase the divorce rate in bukharian community :D

I understand everything that you said. But let's step back for a minute and let me re-ask a question.
Why is it considered wrong to have pre-marital sex, BESIDES religious reasons?

That's exactly what I was trying to say :happy65:
Spasobo za podderzhku WisePeince

You are welcome Matrix. ;)

Bukharian view on premarital sex is discriminatory.
Males may have it, females may not.
Jewish Law is being ignored by bukharian society on this issue.

I understand everything that you said. But let's step back for a minute and let me re-ask a question.
Why is it considered wrong to have pre-marital sex, BESIDES religious reasons?

Hmm....I didn't bring any religious reasons. Did I? I brought some legal reasons. It just happens that those legal reasons are derived from the law (whatever the law is).

What is good is that it keeps the statistics low. :evilgr39:

Bukharian view on premarital sex is discriminatory.
Males may have it, females may not.
Jewish Law is being ignored by bukharian society on this issue.

Who said that males may have it?

Who said that males may have it?

Bukharian society.
Don't pretend as if you never heard of it.
In bukharian society the focus is on female's chastity only.

Hmm....I didn't bring any religious reasons. Did I? I brought some legal reasons. It just happens that those legal reasons are derived from the law (whatever the law is).

What is good is that it keeps the statistics low. :evilgr39:

fyi, legally anyone can have consented sex once an individual turns 18.

fyi, legally anyone can have consented sex once an individual turns 18.

Thank you. You are too kind to give me that info. ;)

Thank you. You are too kind to give me that info. ;)

No problem. Remember to use protection.

No problem. Remember to use protection.

Tzentrist, you are awesome!!!! I finally found some back up!!!! It's about time. :happy65:

Bukharian society.
Don't pretend as if you never heard of it.
In bukharian society the focus is on female's chastity only.


It's true that they focus the attention on female's chastity, I'm not arguing about that, but at the same time Bukharian society did not Okayed guys to have sex before marriage. Bukharian society is not focusing the attention on this issue more then they have to.

Tzentrist, you are awesome!!!! I finally found some back up!!!! It's about time. :happy65:

Hmmm....back up in advertising premarital sex in bukharian culture?

It's true that they focus the attention on female's chastity, I'm not arguing about that, but at the same time Bukharian society did not Okayed guys to have sex before marriage. Bukharian society is not focusing the attention on this issue more then they have to.

Oh yes, it Okeyed it.
Male's non-virginity doesn't shame his character, his family name, his social status in bukharian society.

Hmmm....back up in advertising premarital sex in bukharian culture?

It is shocking that you view my statement as an advertisement. I'm only stating a fact. Consensual sex is legal after an individual turns 18. I assumed a "professor" would know that. I stand corrected.

Oh yes, it Okeyed it.
Male's non-virginity doesn't shame his character, his family name, his social status in bukharian society.


Ok let's say that they did Ok it. Now what??? If I understand you correctly, you're either aganst guys having sex before they get married or you just think it's not fear to bukharian female's, that the pressure is more on them then on guys. Either or, you view it as a problem. So if you know what the problem is provide the society with the proper solution to the problem. Change the society's view. It's hard, but possible.

Ok let's say that they did Ok it. Now what??? If I understand you correctly, you're either aganst guys having sex before they get married or you just think it's not fear to bukharian female's, that the pressure is more on them then on guys. Either or, you view it as a problem. So if you know what the problem is provide the society with the proper solution to the problem. Change the society's view. It's hard, but possible.

No, lets not just say it, lets acknowledge this fact.
And then nothing, just live with it. Society will adopt to the present environment, if you know what I mean.

No, lets not just say it, lets acknowledge this fact.
And then nothing, just live with it. Society will adopt to the present environment, if you know what I mean.


Just acknowledging the fact does not change the situation.
So, if you say that Society will adopt to the present environment, why even bother razing the subject, just to do finger pointing? That's silly.

Ok let's say that they did Ok it. Now what??? If I understand you correctly, you're either aganst guys having sex before they get married or you just think it's not fear to bukharian female's, that the pressure is more on them then on guys. Either or, you view it as a problem. So if you know what the problem is provide the society with the proper solution to the problem. Change the society's view. It's hard, but possible.

I don't think it's a problem. The only thing that I see as a problem is those who think that it's OK for a guy to be with a woman but it's not OK for a girl to be with a guy before marriage.
The solution to this problem is easy: Premarital sex should be OK for BOTH men and women.

I don't think it's a problem. The only thing that I see as a problem is those who think that it's OK for a guy to be with a woman but it's not OK for a girl to be with a guy before marriage.The solution to this problem is easy: Premarital sex should be OK for BOTH men and women.

I don't think that those are mijority in Bukharian society, and if it's normal for them when guys have sex before marriege, then let them be ok with their girls do the same. And one more thing, I don't think that your solution to this issue will do any good, it's better bo be strict with guys about this too.

I don't think that those are mijority in Bukharian society, and if it's normal for them when guys have sex before marriege, then let them be ok with their girls do the same. And one more thing, I don't think that your solution to this issue will do any good, it's better bo be strict with guys about this too.

Matrix, what MATRIX are you living at?!?!?!
Majority of bukharian males search for virgins, but are not virgins themselves.
It is just the way it is. Accept this reality as a fact of life. :mad12:

Matrix, what MATRIX are you living at?!?!?!
Majority of bukharian males search for virgins, but are not virgins themselves.
It is just the way it is. Accept this reality as a fact of life. :mad12:

The same that you live at - a crazy one

Bukharian view on premarital sex is discriminatory.
Males may have it, females may not.
Jewish Law is being ignored by bukharian society on this issue.


Thank you. My point exactly.

Just acknowledging the fact does not change the situation.
So, if you say that Society will adopt to the present environment, why even bother razing the subject, just to do finger pointing? That's silly.

acknowledgement is the first step to change!!!!

acknowledgement is the first step to change!!!!


you're right, but if no actions are taken after acknowledgement, then it doesn't change anything accept for the fact that we know about it.

Even though both are not supposed to engage in premerital sex, but the pressure is on the females because it is impossible to know if a guy is virgin or not. This is the only reason why guys get away with this, and girls can't.

Bukharian view on premarital sex is discriminatory.
Males may have it, females may not.
Jewish Law is being ignored by bukharian society on this issue.
what exactly does jewish law say on this issue?

you're right, but if no actions are taken after acknowledgement, then it doesn't change anything accept for the fact that we know about it.

at least now you stopped denying it :happy25:

at least now you stopped denying it :happy25:


deny what? all i was saying if you see it as a problem provide with the solution, simple as that. be cool :happy25:

I don't get it. Did you come here to ask us for permission or you are looking for support to justify your behaviour? :sign63: :mad54:

That's actually a good turn of question -- question the questioner! :)

I don't think it's a problem. The only thing that I see as a problem is those who think that it's OK for a guy to be with a woman but it's not OK for a girl to be with a guy before marriage.
The solution to this problem is easy: Premarital sex should be OK for BOTH men and women.

Another solution is that it be NOT OK for BOTH guys and girls. There's no exclusivity of your solution, so it's unclear why you said "The solution". :)

That's actually a good turn of question -- question the questioner! :)

I already replied to this RETARDED question.

I already replied to this RETARDED question.

I read your reply later -- I was replying as I was reading posts.

As far as whether or not the question was retarded, your answer and emotion put into it might signify the success of the potential intent of the question. :)
Not that I endorse potential intent. :)

I read your reply later -- I was replying as I was reading posts.

As far as whether or not the question was retarded, your answer and emotion put into it might signify the success of the potential intent of the question. :)
Not that I endorse potential intent. :)

Actually calling a question RETARDED has nothing to do with emotion. It has to do with the stupidity of the question and the person asking.

Actually calling a question RETARDED has nothing to do with emotion. It has to do with the stupidity of the question and the person asking.

might be so; though, putting it in capital letters might give that impression. then again, words on "paper" not always present an accurate picture of what the writer intends to show.

might be so; though, putting it in capital letters might give that impression. then again, words on "paper" not always present an accurate picture of what the writer intends to show.

RETARDED was put in caps, not to show emotion but to emphasize the word RETARDED.

RETARDED was put in caps, not to show emotion but to emphasize the word RETARDED.

so you don't think that "to emphasize" has anything to do with showing emotion? regardless, as I said, words on "paper" may lack the "expression" of the writer and, hence, can be misinterpreted.

so you don't think that "to emphasize" has anything to do with showing emotion? regardless, as I said, words on "paper" may lack the "expression" of the writer and, hence, can be misinterpreted.

Emphasizing a word does not show emotion. It just shows that that word was the point of a sentece.
When you are sitting in a lecture hall and professor is giving you a lecture and he emphasizes on a certain word or topic, does that mean that he is emotional or does that mean that he just wants to show that, that particular word/phrase is important and probably will be on the next exam!!!!

Emphasizing a word does not show emotion. It just shows that that word was the point of a sentece.
When you are sitting in a lecture hall and professor is giving you a lecture and he emphasizes on a certain word or topic, does that mean that he is emotional or does that mean that he just wants to show that, that particular word/phrase is important and probably will be on the next exam!!!!

Somehow, I thought that ALL words convey certain emotion -- we are human. Some words more, some words less. Some ways are more expressive of emotion, some less. When a professor emphasizes a point, whether or not he realizes it, he puts a different level of emotion into it. Then again, it's my opinion -- no need for anyone to get too emotional over it. :)

Somehow, I thought that ALL words convey certain emotion -- we are human. Some words more, some words less. Some ways are more expressive of emotion, some less. When a professor emphasizes a point, whether or not he realizes it, he puts a different level of emotion into it. Then again, it's my opinion -- no need for anyone to get too emotional over it. :)

True, everything humans do is done with emotions.

Somehow, I thought that ALL words convey certain emotion -- we are human. Some words more, some words less. Some ways are more expressive of emotion, some less. When a professor emphasizes a point, whether or not he realizes it, he puts a different level of emotion into it. Then again, it's my opinion -- no need for anyone to get too emotional over it. :)

I believe that words have nothing to do with emotions. Sometimes we express our emotions thru words but not all word have an emotion behind it. I believe that every ACTION is caused by emotion. A lot of time people just blurt things out that have nothing to do with emotions or with anything. Some people say stupid things, also I don't believe that has to do with emotions.
And you gotta stop with thinking about emotions. U r a guy, you should PRETEND to have NO emotions. Guys don't like to talk or show emotions. So right now you are pretty much throwing that theory out of the window!!!!

And you gotta stop with thinking about emotions. U r a guy, you should PRETEND to have NO emotions. Guys don't like to talk or show emotions. So right now you are pretty much throwing that theory out of the window!!!!

I hope you're only being sarcastic!!!!!

From what I know, it's considered bad in Jewish culture. Are you saying Bukharian Jews are the only ones left to think so? I think other Jewish groups consider that to be the case too, provided they are familiar enough with concepts presented in Judaism. :)
i agree

I believe that words have nothing to do with emotions. Sometimes we express our emotions thru words but not all word have an emotion behind it. I believe that every ACTION is caused by emotion. A lot of time people just blurt things out that have nothing to do with emotions or with anything. Some people say stupid things, also I don't believe that has to do with emotions.
And you gotta stop with thinking about emotions. U r a guy, you should PRETEND to have NO emotions. Guys don't like to talk or show emotions. So right now you are pretty much throwing that theory out of the window!!!!

is writing an action? if so, does writing employ words for its purposes? if so, combined with your statement that actions are caused by emotions, what conclusion would you come up with regarding if words have anything to do with emotion? or you would want to contradict yourself to continue not to consider if words expressed by people carry any emotion with them?

a guy is human too (surprise!) :) no theory is being thrown out by "pretending", btw. so it's unclear how you tie the 2 together. :) (btw, smiley's are there to help to express the emotion).
[btw, some writers considered that the whole writing thing they couldn't live w/o as that's what helps them to express themselves, their emotions. this includes scientific writing, which I'd assume, you think carries no emotion. yet, it's what helps scientists to express (think: emotion) their thoughts].

I hope you're only being sarcastic!!!!!

that was my assumption too. otherwise, it didn't really make too much sense and, hence, would qualify as overly emotional. :)

i agree

thanks -- at least somebody reads my posts. :)

I agree with you, however I would like to add to that. Not only are they afraid that someone is gonna come up to them, but I also think that they are sexually insecure. Any men in my opinion, who wants to marry a virgin, has preservations about his sexual abilities. I am not saying that only Bukharian men want to marry virgins, but other cultures, such as Gruzini want to marry virgins also.
Sex is one of the major commponents of marriage, whether or not we want to admit it. And I frankly happen to think, that men are afraid more of compitition then of someone comming up to them and telling them, that they were with his woman. B/c the response to that can always be, " And now I see why she is no longer with you."
So, I am also wondering how many men, will actually admit this as the true reason for wanting to marry virgins????

For me its different. I do not want to go in another man's pavement.

is writing an action? if so, does writing employ words for its purposes? if so, combined with your statement that actions are caused by emotions, what conclusion would you come up with regarding if words have anything to do with emotion? or you would want to contradict yourself to continue not to consider if words expressed by people carry any emotion with them?

a guy is human too (surprise!) :) no theory is being thrown out by "pretending", btw. so it's unclear how you tie the 2 together. :) (btw, smiley's are there to help to express the emotion).
[btw, some writers considered that the whole writing thing they couldn't live w/o as that's what helps them to express themselves, their emotions. this includes scientific writing, which I'd assume, you think carries no emotion. yet, it's what helps scientists to express (think: emotion) their thoughts].

I think I will refer to your disclaimer on this one!!!!!

Actually calling a question RETARDED has nothing to do with emotion. It has to do with the stupidity of the question and the person asking.
Видать попал прямо в точку. :fight56:

Видать попал прямо в точку. :fight56:

Vidat', we like to take sentences out of context!!!

I believe that words have nothing to do with emotions. Sometimes we express our emotions thru words but not all word have an emotion behind it. I believe that every ACTION is caused by emotion. A lot of time people just blurt things out that have nothing to do with emotions or with anything. Some people say stupid things, also I don't believe that has to do with emotions.
And you gotta stop with thinking about emotions. U r a guy, you should PRETEND to have NO emotions. Guys don't like to talk or show emotions. So right now you are pretty much throwing that theory out of the window!!!!


Зачем так грубо lenchiknyc!!! И вообше зачем обобшать?

is writing an action? if so, does writing employ words for its purposes? if so, combined with your statement that actions are caused by emotions, what conclusion would you come up with regarding if words have anything to do with emotion? or you would want to contradict yourself to continue not to consider if words expressed by people carry any emotion with them?

a guy is human too (surprise!) :) no theory is being thrown out by "pretending", btw. so it's unclear how you tie the 2 together. :) (btw, smiley's are there to help to express the emotion).
[btw, some writers considered that the whole writing thing they couldn't live w/o as that's what helps them to express themselves, their emotions. this includes scientific writing, which I'd assume, you think carries no emotion. yet, it's what helps scientists to express (think: emotion) their thoughts].

Bravo :happy25:

Зачем так грубо lenchiknyc!!! И вообше зачем обобшать?

Eto ne grybo, that's the truth until GreatOne proved it wrong. Apperently guys like talking about emotions. Hmmm, I guess we learn something new everyday. :happy65:

Eto ne grybo, that's the truth until GreatOne proved it wrong. Apperently guys like talking about emotions. Hmmm, I guess we learn something new everyday. :happy65:


Lenchik, the oppinion of one does not make it the oppinion of all.
You said that "guys don't show emotions". As Great One said "Guys are human too", and all humanbeings show emotion. You can argue about what kind of emotions guys show more, positive or negative. Be cool :happy25:

Lenchik, the oppinion of one does not make it the oppinion of all.
You said that "guys don't show emotions". As Great One said "Guys are human too", and all humanbeings show emotion. You can argue about what kind of emotions guys show more, positive or negative. Be cool :happy25:

Guys don't like to show any type of emotions, at least in front of girls. It's not an opinion, it's the fact.

Guys don't like to show any type of emotions, at least in front of girls. It's not an opinion, it's the fact.

What if I will just start cursing you out, you'll not consider it as a guy showing emotions to a girl??? If not then what is it in your oppinion?

B.T.W you've already said that Great One proved you wrong, why are you still repeating saing "Guys don't like to show any type of emotions"

Describe Emotion

What if I will just start cursing you out, you'll not consider it as a guy showing emotions to a girl??? If not then what is it in your oppinion?

B.T.W you've already said that Great One proved you wrong, why are you still repeating saing "Guys don't like to show any type of emotions"

Describe Emotion

Why would you use an example of cursing me out? Couldn't you used a better example??? Like asking me out? Then we can talk about emotions. loooooooooooooooooooooool
:evilgr39:

Why would you use an example of cursing me out? Couldn't you used a better example??? Like asking me out? Then we can talk about emotions. loooooooooooooooooooooool
:evilgr39:


Hmmmmmmmmmm. Tonkiy namyok na Tolstiye obstoyatelstva :evilgr39: You're good.

But you do admit that me either "Cursing you out" or "Asking you out" it's a form of a guy showing emotions to a girl???

Hmmmmmmmmmm. Tonkiy namyok na Tolstiye obstoyatelstva :evilgr39: You're good.

But you do admit that me either "Cursing you out" or "Asking you out" it's a form of a guy showing emotions to a girl???

I am very good. Thanks for the compliment.
I do not admit anything about emotions. We can talk about it after you ask me out but not after you curse me out!!!!!!!
:happy65:

I am very good. Thanks for the compliment.
I do not admit anything about emotions. We can talk about it after you ask me out but not after you curse me out!!!!!!!
:happy65:


give me your phone # I'll call to ask you out. :happy25:

Why would you use an example of cursing me out? Couldn't you used a better example??? Like asking me out? Then we can talk about emotions. loooooooooooooooooooooool
:evilgr39:

hahaha lenchik,

why make such a long, round trip when you could have done that from the start. :D

I think I will refer to your disclaimer on this one!!!!!

good.

Guys don't like to show any type of emotions, at least in front of girls. It's not an opinion, it's the fact.

even if one were to assume that it's not an opinion, but rather a fact, would that mean that a guy doesn't have emotion(s)?

showing is the presentation layer (kind of computer speak again -- jew4life: take notes :) ); what goes on on the main server, who's to judge? :)

Eto ne grybo, that's the truth until GreatOne proved it wrong. Apperently guys like talking about emotions. Hmmm, I guess we learn something new everyday. :happy65:

thank you, lenchiknyc. if you are not being sarcastic, I'm glad if I made a positive difference.

Why would you use an example of cursing me out? Couldn't you used a better example??? Like asking me out? Then we can talk about emotions. loooooooooooooooooooooool
:evilgr39:

Matrix, vperyod! :)

thank you, lenchiknyc. if you are not being sarcastic, I'm glad if I made a positive difference.

Who said that it was possitive??

Who said that it was possitive??

nobody, hence the "if". :)

[jew4life: "if" statements are extensively used in programming. :) ]

Matrix's reason of why it is bad was because it is wrong....it is a valid reason as far as it matters :D

Why is it wrong? Because of morals.
Who dictates the morals? Community and Society.
What do they base their moral on? Law.
Which law? The one that was trasmitted to them. ;)

Now, by the law, one way of betrothing a woman is by cohabiting with her before the chuppa. Chuppa is a second stage in marriage. So if a man engages in a sexual intercourse with a woman before the chuppa, he is considered to perform kiddushin with her. Kiddushin is a first stage in a marriage process. Kiddushin means to "sanctify". He has acquired her by cohabiting with her. Now, to break the process of kiddushin he will need to write her a bill of divorce.


Well said
So probably primarital sex is wrong because it will increase the divorce rate in bukharian community :D
:happy65:

Guys don't like to show any type of emotions, at least in front of girls. It's not an opinion, it's the fact.

Oh come on now!!!....this is totally false. Guys show emotions all the time. I like the cursing out example (certainly not the best way to show emotions, but emotions nontheless). When a guy proposes to his future wife, isn't that showing emotions (in front of a girl). We're emotional human beings, just like anyone else.

Guys don't like to show any type of emotions, at least in front of girls. It's not an opinion, it's the fact.

I love to show my emotions in front of my punching bag. I punch it with uncontrollable fury and aggression. I just love my punching bag. It helps me express my emotions. Yes I am a guy.
I would also love to express my emotions when I make passionate love to a woman. Passion is an emotion, so is love and aggression. We are all emotional beings. Our smile, gestures, posture and the whole body language convey emotions.
By the way psychologies say that sex is the most powerful emotion in the world. Thus, I would love to show my "emotion" in front of a girl or on her.

Lenchiknyc, you should see the movie called Equilibrium. This movie shows a world where the government forbids any kind of emotion. If you feel you are executed. In their world there is no art, no music, and no literature because all of it is burned. Watch that movie.

I love to show my emotions in front of my punching bag. I punch it with uncontrollable fury and aggression. I just love my punching bag. It helps me express my emotions. Yes I am a guy.
I would also love to express my emotions when I make passionate love to a woman. Passion is an emotion, so is love and aggression. We are all emotional beings. Our smile, gestures, posture and the whole body language convey emotions.
By the way psychologies say that sex is the most powerful emotion in the world. Thus, I would love to show my "emotion" in front of a girl or on her.

Lenchiknyc, you should see the movie called Equilibrium. This movie shows a world where the government forbids any kind of emotion. If you feel you are executed. In their world there is no art, no music, and no literature because all of it is burned. Watch that movie.

Ok Ok. Because of the majority of your posts about GUYS expressing emotions, I will revise my statement. Guys show LESS emotions than girls. So here comes my next question. If guys express less emotions then women, and most of their emotions are turned inward (because women like to burst out their emotions and guys MORE then GIRLS, like to keep it in). This theory would lead you to believe that guys should get more depressed then women. But statistically women get more depressed then men. How come?

Ok Ok. Because of the majority of your posts about GUYS expressing emotions, I will revise my statement. Guys show LESS emotions than girls. So here comes my next question. If guys express less emotions then women, and most of their emotions are turned inward (because women like to burst out their emotions and guys MORE then GIRLS, like to keep it in). This theory would lead you to believe that guys should get more depressed then women. But statistically women get more depressed then men. How come?

Just because guys cry less, does not nale them less emotional then women.
I think men and women get dipressed equally, it's just for different reasons. Exampe: Girls get stressed and burst out because they broke their finger nail, and men get dipressed because his business is not going to well. But bith get stressed. Lenchik stop proving your point, it does not stand any ground :happy25:

Just because guys cry less, does not nale them less emotional then women.
I think men and women get dipressed equally, it's just for different reasons. Exampe: Girls get stressed and burst out because they broke their finger nail, and men get dipressed because his business is not going to well. But bith get stressed. Lenchik stop proving your point, it does not stand any ground :happy25:

First of all Matrix, the only sexist comments you should be making is to your wife but NOT HERE. Don't you dare try to say that girls get depressed because they break a nail. Second of all, you need to get a little more knowledgeable before you try to contradict the FACT. The fact that depression is more common on women than men, is a STATISTIC and not my opinion. And who was talking about stress? You need to read carefully before anwering!!!!!!

First of all Matrix, the only sexist comments you should be making is to your wife but NOT HERE. Don't you dare try to say that girls get depressed because they break a nail. Second of all, you need to get a little more knowledgeable before you try to contradict the FACT. The fact that depression is more common on women than men, is a STATISTIC and not my opinion. And who was talking about stress? You need to read carefully before anwering!!!!!!


1. Don't you tell me what kind of coments I should be making to my wife. Non of your busness.
2. I'm just expressing my oppinion here like everyone else here.
3. If you're stating the fact back it up with something. Provide statistic numbers and the source.
4. May be you should get knowlegeable wether guys have emotion or not.
5. There you go, I just showed you bunch of guys emotions :evilgr39: Peace :happy25:

1. Don't you tell me what kind of coments I should be making to my wife. Non of your busness.
2. I'm just expressing my oppinion here like everyone else here.
3. If you're stating the fact back it up with something. Provide statistic numbers and the source.
4. May be you should get knowlegeable wether guys have emotion or not.
5. There you go, I just showed you bunch of guys emotions :evilgr39: Peace :happy25:

For your information, I revised my statement to guys showing Less emotions then women. Why do u think it is such a plus for the guys to show emotions??? Naoborod, guys should NOT want to show any emotions. U all wanna look tough!!!
And no reason to get sooo aggrevated. And stop making sexist comments about girls getting emotional over breaking their nail.

For your information, I revised my statement to guys showing Less emotions then women. Why do u think it is such a plus for the guys to show emotions??? Naoborod, guys should NOT want to show any emotions. U all wanna look tough!!!
And no reason to get sooo aggrevated. And stop making sexist comments about girls getting emotional over breaking their nail.

I think you're the one who's making sexist comments about guys being emotionless. And I'm not getting aggrevated.
Please clarify "U all wanna look tough!!!" is that a statement or a fact?

I think you're the one who's making sexist comments about guys being emotionless. And I'm not getting aggrevated.
Please clarify "U all wanna look tough!!!" is that a statement or a fact?

That's a statement of the opinion and NOT a fact. How is that a sexist comments?

That's a statement of the opinion and NOT a fact. How is that a sexist comments?

The same way you find my comment as saxist :happy25:

The same way you find my comment as saxist :happy25:

Ok, I think both of us stopped making sense. So let's just change the topic. Why don't you go and anwer another question that I posted. It would be interesting to see an opinion of a married man!!!! And I said that as a compliment and not as a sarcastic mean joke!!!! :happy25:

Ok, I think both of us stopped making sense. So let's just change the topic. Why don't you go and anwer another question that I posted. It would be interesting to see an opinion of a married man!!!! And I said that as a compliment and not as a sarcastic mean joke!!!! :happy25:

Thanks for the compliment :happy01:
BTW congratulations! This is the first and only Thread on the forum that has more that 100 replies. Keep it up :happy65: :happy25:

Thanks for the compliment :happy01:
BTW congratulations! This is the first and only Thread on the forum that has more that 100 replies. Keep it up :happy65: :happy25:

Thank you!!!! So, can you go and anwere another question that I posted? I am very curious to hear your opinion on that!!!!

[QUOTE=Aragorn]I love to show my emotions in front of my punching bag. I punch it with uncontrollable fury and aggression. I just love my punching bag. It helps me express my emotions. Yes I am a guy.
I would also love to express my emotions when I make passionate love to a woman. Passion is an emotion, so is love and aggression. We are all emotional beings. Our smile, gestures, posture and the whole body language convey emotions.[QUOTE]

wow, exectly, beautifully said.:happy65: I think all psychologists would appreciate your statment. I know I do.

Thank you!!!! So, can you go and anwere another question that I posted? I am very curious to hear your opinion on that!!!!

Ok, it's not easy one, I have to think about it.

Ok, it's not easy one, I have to think about it.

Well, I usually like to post things that are not easy!!! Everything that comes easy is not satisfying enough. So you can take time to think about it!!!

Well, I usually like to post things that are not easy!!! Everything that comes easy is not satisfying enough. So you can take time to think about it!!!


thanks

Guys don't like to show any type of emotions, at least in front of girls. It's not an opinion, it's the fact.
well then you should get your facts straight. A guy just like a girl is a sack of emotions, they just tend to express them differently then girls. ex: a girl might cry if you'd say s/t hurtful to her or even defend herself by mouthing off at you, a guy on the other hand will beat the day lights out of you. hense both are offended, but express those feelings/emotions differently.

Ok Ok. Because of the majority of your posts about GUYS expressing emotions, I will revise my statement. Guys show LESS emotions than girls. So here comes my next question. If guys express less emotions then women, and most of their emotions are turned inward (because women like to burst out their emotions and guys MORE then GIRLS, like to keep it in). This theory would lead you to believe that guys should get more depressed then women. But statistically women get more depressed then men. How come?
Men don't get depressed they get heart attacks!

Men don't get depressed they get heart attacks!

Men most certainly DO get depressed!!!! And I never said that men don't have emotions, all I said is that first they show it less frequently then women, and second they don't like to show them in front of women?

Men most certainly DO get depressed!!!! And I never said that men don't have emotions, all I said is that first they show it less frequently then women, and second they don't like to show them in front of women?

No, I think the key word here is not LESS, but DIFFERENTLY. Men express their emotions differetnly, but as often as women.

No, I think the key word here is not LESS, but DIFFERENTLY. Men express their emotions differetnly, but as often as women.

Well put. :happy65:

Why is premarital sex considered bad in Bukharian culture?

You know, the more I think about the original question the more I realize that in reality premarital sex is not concidered bad in the bukharian culture. I think on the individual level men and women want to have premarital sex (hormones are something very hard to control consciously). Don't take me wrong, people still do it. But I think people control their hormones only out of fear of the society (what will the society think? what will my parents say? what will happen to our prestige? etc).

That said, however, there is a blimps of hope in the horizon. Gone are the days where a couple would have to publicaly show their bedsheets after their first night (let me remind you...this was not in so distant past). I think what happens at the first night has become more of a private affair, with much less public scrutany. I think the scrutany still exists in our elder (and maybe in not so elder too) population, but that is just public gossip, that is not based on any facts.

We're moving away from premarital sex being a taboo. I'm just not so sure how good of an idea this actually is. Only time will tell.