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QueenofLilies
04-10-2005, 07:47 PM
Can life exist without love?

FriendlyPA
04-10-2005, 09:20 PM
Can life exist without love?

Sure....Ask all the depressed people....all you do is go on prozac, or any other antidepressants and watch that people don't commit suicide, you'll be fine!!!!

Seriously though this is probably the most toughest life to live.

OceanofMemories
04-10-2005, 09:26 PM
love is the devil.

TheGreatOne
04-10-2005, 09:32 PM
Can life exist without love?

love is a necessary component of a happy life.

QueenofLilies
04-10-2005, 11:36 PM
love is the devil.


elaborate please

QueenofLilies
04-10-2005, 11:37 PM
love is a necessary component of a happy life.

I agree with you. But can a happy life exist only with love? For example, excluding wealth and other factors such as rank and prestige.

Aragorn
04-11-2005, 12:03 AM
Can life exist without love?

No, life can't exist with out love. Just think about it. Your life is a product of love. How do you think you were born? Love builds our universe and insures that we continue to exist.
G-d created the the world and gave us life because of his desire to give and get nothing in return. He did it because he wanted to express his love. Life with out love has no purpose but for a person to exist only one lifetime and then die. However love is neccessary for continuity of that existance. The first mitzva in Torah is to get close to your wife (love) and reproduce. This commandment of reproduction is the extention of G-d's love, because love creates and builds. Thus G-d wants us too continue what he started. Love is the foundation of our existence.

OceanofMemories
04-11-2005, 12:04 AM
elaborate please

People get so caught up with the idea of being in love. Everyone wants it, and then they think they found it. They do so much for each other and say they are in love with each other. Sometimes, in the end, at least one of them gets deeply hurt and falls into a depression. It doesn't let you think rationally. It can destroy your whole life. That's why I call it the devil.
But then again, I do believe there is such a thing as true love. As I said somewhere else, I think a person only knows if it was true love at the end of their life. If she is 86 and he is 90, and they can sit together, eat breakfast, and have a conversation, and they can look at each other and truly appreciate each other and think to themselves that they can't live without each other, that's the real stuff.

Your question: Can life exist without love?
I don't think it can. If we didn't love each other and help each other out, then what's the point of the world. Ve'ahavta lereacha kamocha.....Love your friend like you love yourself. Of course, there are different kinds of love. I think you need all of them. Makes life more exciting. :)

FriendlyPA
04-11-2005, 12:05 AM
I agree with you. But can a happy life exist only with love? For example, excluding wealth and other factors such as rank and prestige.

I think a happy life can exist only with love. Real love is a very very powerful thing. It's almost supernatural, and bonds 2 individuals together.

All other things (money, job, rank and prestige) are finite. One day you have them, the next you don't.

One little addition to this: I don't believe that love need to be between 2 individuals of opposite sex (as in a relationship). Love can happen (and does) between a parent and a child, siblings, friends and relatives.

Therefore, it is not necessary to be in a relationship to be loved. And as long as you are loved, you can live on and enjoy life.

QueenofLilies
04-11-2005, 06:38 AM
I think a happy life can exist only with love. Real love is a very very powerful thing. It's almost supernatural, and bonds 2 individuals together.

All other things (money, job, rank and prestige) are finite. One day you have them, the next you don't.

One little addition to this: I don't believe that love need to be between 2 individuals of opposite sex (as in a relationship). Love can happen (and does) between a parent and a child, siblings, friends and relatives.

Therefore, it is not necessary to be in a relationship to be loved. And as long as you are loved, you can live on and enjoy life.


well said :)

QueenofLilies
04-11-2005, 06:40 AM
No, life can't exist with out love. Just think about it. Your life is a product of love. How do you think you were born? Love builds our universe and insures that we continue to exist.


Are you saying that our parents had us because they were in love? What about arranged marriages? Those are not always the preffered ways of engaging and does not always gaurantee love.

Matrix
04-11-2005, 11:28 AM
love is the devil.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but when a mother loves her children, that love is also devil? :bonk:

SOF
04-11-2005, 12:12 PM
Yes, love can exist without love. Look at the animal world. No love there, just following instincts. Humans, however, can't have fulfilled and happy lives if they don't love or are not loved.

lenchiknyc
04-11-2005, 12:56 PM
No, life can't exist with out love. Just think about it. Your life is a product of love. How do you think you were born? Love builds our universe and insures that we continue to exist.
G-d created the the world and gave us life because of his desire to give and get nothing in return. He did it because he wanted to express his love. Life with out love has no purpose but for a person to exist only one lifetime and then die. However love is neccessary for continuity of that existance. The first mitzva in Torah is to get close to your wife (love) and reproduce. This commandment of reproduction is the extention of G-d's love, because love creates and builds. Thus G-d wants us too continue what he started. Love is the foundation of our existence.

You are soooooooooooooooooooo naive. A person can be a product of one night stand!! Is that love? I think, you need to take some biology classes, or human reproduction classes. U crack me up Aragorn!!!!!! :happy65:

lenchiknyc
04-11-2005, 12:58 PM
I think a happy life can exist only with love. Real love is a very very powerful thing. It's almost supernatural, and bonds 2 individuals together.

All other things (money, job, rank and prestige) are finite. One day you have them, the next you don't.

One little addition to this: I don't believe that love need to be between 2 individuals of opposite sex (as in a relationship). Love can happen (and does) between a parent and a child, siblings, friends and relatives.

Therefore, it is not necessary to be in a relationship to be loved. And as long as you are loved, you can live on and enjoy life.

I agree with you but I think that here you are refering to different type of love. I thik her question was more relating to relationship love!?

QueenofLilies
04-11-2005, 02:40 PM
I agree with you but I think that here you are refering to different type of love. I thik her question was more relating to relationship love!?


Yes Lena. I am referring to a love where 2 people are impassioned to devote their hearts and souls for one another. But those of you who have not yet experienced this you can discuss family love for one another, which should be just as strong....if not stronger.

Matrix
04-11-2005, 03:04 PM
Can life exist without love?


Я отвечу коротко, да еше и вопросом. Do you see S'dom and G'mora anywhere on the map?

Tssipa
04-11-2005, 04:06 PM
No, life can't exist with out love. Just think about it. Your life is a product of love. How do you think you were born? Love builds our universe and insures that we continue to exist.
G-d created the the world and gave us life because of his desire to give and get nothing in return. He did it because he wanted to express his love. Life with out love has no purpose but for a person to exist only one lifetime and then die. However love is neccessary for continuity of that existance. The first mitzva in Torah is to get close to your wife (love) and reproduce. This commandment of reproduction is the extention of G-d's love, because love creates and builds. Thus G-d wants us too continue what he started. Love is the foundation of our existence.


You can't just assume that every single person is the product of love. Because it is not so. There are many women on this planet who had children as a result of rape, or forced marriage, or anything in that category.

Matrix
04-11-2005, 04:18 PM
You can't just assume that every single person is the product of love. Because it is not so. There are many women on this planet who had children as a result of rape, or forced marriage, or anything in that category.


I think what Aragorn was trying to say, if it would be in perfect world, then a conception of a baby is a product of love :happy25:

Aragorn
04-11-2005, 09:09 PM
You can't just assume that every single person is the product of love. Because it is not so. There are many women on this planet who had children as a result of rape, or forced marriage, or anything in that category.
Wait, wait, and wait. What does rape has to do with anything. You did not read the entire post. When I said we are the products of love, it means we are the products of G-d's love. G-d's love is the foundation of all existence. Because G-d wanted to show love he created life. Also I was saying that in order to insure the continuity of that existence and insure that life on earth in general is built we need love and harmony. That if there is no love in nature then the world can't exist like that. For example look at Saddom and Gamora. I was not talking about individual person's life. I was talking about life in our nature.
Well, you might say that if there is no love in nature and everyone rapes, then the world will still exist, but what kind of world will it be? It will be the world of Noah before the flood. G-d destroyed them because they raped and had illicit relationships. Love between themselves was absent in their society. Thus I concluded that if love is absent in a LARGE SCALE then that society destroys itself. That is why when we reproduce we need love. Rape in a large scale = disorder and chaos. Arranged marriages on a large scale = Arab (Muslim) countries.
Lenchiknyc, read the book of Beraishit. Also read history and you will see that a society with no order does not survive. I will certainly read about sexual biology. :happy65:

OceanofMemories
04-11-2005, 11:47 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when a mother loves her children, that love is also devil? :bonk:


i wasnt referring to that kind of love.