Girls, Girls, Girls. Here's a queation for you.

How will you react, when you'll find out that your fiancé can't afford to buy a diamond ring for you? Is diamond ring a necessity to the road of marriage?

Girls, Girls, Girls. Here's a queation for you.

How will you react, when you'll find out that your fiancé can't afford to buy a diamond ring for you? Is diamond ring a necessity to the road of marriage?

Ouch, with all the peer presure these days, in this case a girl will have to put her priorities in check. What is more important a person or what he can afford at the moment?

Of course I would want the dimond ring, so that i could show it off. Especially these days when you tell people you're engaged the first thing they ask is "Where is the ring?" or I heard some ladies go straight for,"How many carats?"

But like i always say, you have to look at the situation. If I love the guy, who cares if I won't get the dimond, as long as i have that person with me. And i actually think, that will make him love the girl even more.

You should also ask their parents this question. :sign63:

You should also ask their parents this question. :sign63:


What makes you say that? I'm not exactly understanding you.

Что тут непонятного? Родители девочки как правило судят будусчего домота по подаркам которий он делает их дочери.

Что тут непонятного? Родители девочки как правило судят будусчего домота по подаркам которий он делает их дочери.


а понятно, ну в принципе я согласен с тобои.

Girls, Girls, Girls. Here's a queation for you.

How will you react, when you'll find out that your fiancé can't afford to buy a diamond ring for you? Is diamond ring a necessity to the road of marriage?
every girl surely wants a dimond ring, because that's the in thing. if the in thing would be to give potato peals then everyone would want...well...maybe not. Bottom line, it's not what's in his pocket, it's what's in his heart that's important. What's even more important is that you find out what's really in his heart before you settle for the glass. time will come he'll get you the dimond :happy25:

Между прочим в Союзе бриллиантовые кольца не давали. Ето американский обычай. Там во время шинихори родственники дарили всякие ювелирные украшения.

Мне кажется что ето заговор 47-ой улици чтобы по больше бабок слупить с людей. :innoc08: :bonk:

Между прочим в Союзе бриллиантовые кольца не давали. Ето американский обычай. Там во время шинихори родственники дарили всякие ювелирные украшения.


Ты меня извени, но по моему Diamond Ring тоже является ювелирным украшением.

every girl surely wants a dimond ring, because that's the in thing. if the in thing would be to give potato peals then everyone would want...well...maybe not. Bottom line, it's not what's in his pocket, it's what's in his heart that's important. What's even more important is that you find out what's really in his heart before you settle for the glass. time will come he'll get you the dimond :happy25:


L0L!!!!
Potato peels? :happy08:

Ты меня извени, но по моему Диамонд Ринг тоже является ювелирным украшением.
Да, но в отличии от других он символизирует енгагемент. А в союзе только было обручалное кольцо, а остальное так для декораций.

Да, но в отличии от других он символизирует енгагемент. А в союзе только было обручалное кольцо, а остальное так для декораций.

btw, does anyone know the history behind it? Does anyone know why do men give a diamond ring as an engagement, and not some other stone, or something completely different?

btw, does anyone know the history behind it? Does anyone know why do men give a diamond ring as an engagement, and not some other stone, or something completely different?

The Tradition of the Diamond
The diamond Engagement Ring acquired its very special standing as the ultimate gift of love during the fifteenth century.

The tradition of giving a diamond engagement ring as a promise for marriage began in 1477 with Archduke Maximillian of Austria and Mary of Burgundy. At that time, diamonds were looked upon as talismans, or charms, that could enhance the love of a husband for his wife.

Cupid’s arrows were said to be tipped with diamonds, which had a magic that nothing else could equal. From this time forward, the royal tradition of giving a diamond engagement ring began to be embraced by people around the world, eventually becoming as much of a milestone in one’s life as the engagement itself.

When diamonds first began to be given as engagement rings, settings were elaborate and did not necessarily show the diamond in its best light. It actually wasn’t until the discovery of diamond mines on the African continent in 1870 that diamonds became accessible to a wider public, increasing demand and influencing design.

Wearing a diamond ring on the fourth finger of the left hand dates far back to ancient Egypt, where it was believed that the vena amoris (the vein of love) ran from that finger directly to the heart.

It should come as no surprise that our culture was not the first to be lured by the hypnotic spell the diamond casts. Consider the ancient Greeks and Romans who believed diamonds were tears of the Gods and splinters from
falling stars. Then, there were the Hindus, who attributed so much power to these precious stones they went so far as to place diamonds in the eyes of some of their statues.

Not only was it believed that diamonds could bring luck and success, but also that they could counter the effects of astrological events. There were many that wore diamonds as charms believing in their ability to heighten sexual prowess and attract others. Plato even wrote about diamonds as living
beings, embodying celestial spirits. It was only natural for people to begin giving engagement rings!

Through the centuries, rings have perpetuated the talismanic role of the diamond. In the Middle Ages and Renaissance period, every ring that was set with a precious stone was not considered so much as a piece of jewelry, but more as an amulet that conveyed magical powers like fearlessness and
invincibility upon the wearer. This myth laid the groundwork for monarchs to begin wearing diamonds as symbols of power.

Today, diamonds continue to hold a deep fascination as the world’s ultimate symbol of love. The diamond’s rarity and natural beauty are the qualities that have contributed to making the diamond such a special and magical gift.

Source: http://www.engagement-ring-guru.com/The-Tradition-of-the-Diamond.htm

Thank you Matrix. I love to know about these kind of things. Very interesting, but it does not mention that a diamond has any symbolic meaning in judaism. heheh I'm playing devil's advocate here, but that would mean that jewish guys are off the hook. Ahem- ahem, ladies, it does not seem like it is a jewish man's responsibility to present a jewish girl with a diamond engagement ring to express his love for her.

btw, graphite (I believe it a substance used in a lead pencil) is made of same atoms as a diamond Carbon. The only difference is that diamond structure is more compressed than that of graphite. I believe that's how they make zirconia they compress graphite by heating it. I think if you leave graphite where it is, in nature for whatever amount of years or decades or eras it will eventually become diamond. Would anyone consider a lead pencil as an engagement gift?

here is a perfect reference, read it for yourselves. :D http://mineral.galleries.com/minerals/elements/diamond/diamond.htm

Thank you Matrix. I love to know about these kind of things. Very interesting, but it does not mention that a diamond has any symbolic meaning in judaism. heheh I'm playing devil's advocate here, but that would mean that jewish guys are off the hook. Ahem- ahem, ladies, it does not seem like it is a jewish man's responsibility to present a jewish girl with a diamond engagement ring to express his love for her.

btw, graphite (I believe it a substance used in a lead pencil) is made of same atoms as a diamond Carbon. The only difference is that diamond structure is more compressed than that of graphite. I believe that's how they make zirconia they compress graphite by heating it. I think if you leave graphite where it is, in nature for whatever amount of years or decades or eras it will eventually become diamond. Would anyone consider a lead pencil as an engagement gift?
here is a perfect reference, read it for yourselves. :D http://mineral.galleries.com/minerals/elements/diamond/diamond.htm

You're welcome dear.

Nobody said that it's a jewish tradition. Jews eccepted that tradition. They eccepted it because it does not contradict with Torah.

Good idea Tssipa! But maybe not a pencil, make it more presentable by cutting a graphite to a diamond shape and mount it to a ring. With time, as you said it will turn to diamond itself. Why spend so much money???

You're welcome dear.

Nobody said that it's a jewish tradition. Jews eccepted that tradition. They eccepted it because it does not contradict with Torah.

Good idea Tssipa! But maybe not a pencil, make it more presentable by cutting a graphite to a diamond shape and mount it to a ring. With time, as you said it will turn to diamond itself. Why spend so much money???

it will not turn into a diamond if there will be no pressure on it to compress it, if there will be no heat to increase the molecular movement and decrease their distance. You know what i mean? It needs special environment. ;)

it will not turn into a diamond if there will be no pressure on it to compress it, if there will be no heat to increase the molecular movement and decrease their distance. You know what i mean? It needs special environment. ;)


It's her problem. :innoc08:

It's her problem. :innoc08: well don't you know that in marriage evrything is shared? If its her problem then it will become yours as well. lol

well don't you know that in marriage evrything is shared? If its her problem then it will become yours as well. lol

Make sence, but still :innoc08:

it will not turn into a diamond if there will be no pressure on it to compress it, if there will be no heat to increase the molecular movement and decrease their distance. You know what i mean? It needs special environment. ;)

are you still talking about how to make a diamond? :)

are you still talking about how to make a diamond? :)

actually it was more like a metaphor :D at this point.

actually it was more like a metaphor :D at this point.

yeah, somehow other images were coming to mind. :)

yeah, somehow other images were coming to mind. :)

well, depending on how rich your imagination is, I can understand. hehehe

well, depending on how rich your imagination is, I can understand. hehehe

what I have, I have. :)

Thank you Matrix. I love to know about these kind of things. Very interesting, but it does not mention that a diamond has any symbolic meaning in judaism. heheh I'm playing devil's advocate here, but that would mean that jewish guys are off the hook. Ahem- ahem, ladies, it does not seem like it is a jewish man's responsibility to present a jewish girl with a diamond engagement ring to express his love for her.

btw, graphite (I believe it a substance used in a lead pencil) is made of same atoms as a diamond Carbon. The only difference is that diamond structure is more compressed than that of graphite. I believe that's how they make zirconia they compress graphite by heating it. I think if you leave graphite where it is, in nature for whatever amount of years or decades or eras it will eventually become diamond. Would anyone consider a lead pencil as an engagement gift?

here is a perfect reference, read it for yourselves. :D http://mineral.galleries.com/minerals/elements/diamond/diamond.htm

Actually, I think the diamond in nature gets to be transformed into graphite. So if you live long enough (some milllions years), you might see your diamonds turn into pencils (and they say that "diamonds last forever").

Actually, I think the diamond in nature gets to be transformed into graphite. So if you live long enough (some milllions years), you might see your diamonds turn into pencils (and they say that "diamonds last forever").
you're right. I posted it but did not read it:(

Кстати, за етим делом никто не заметил как бухарские потеряли есчо одну свою традицию - дарению драгоценностей девушке на свадбу. Я слышал что в старые времена ето делали потому что деньги тогда обесценивались быстро а золото и прочее всегда сохраняли свою ценность. Дарили будусчей жене чтобы если наступят тяжолые времена, она смогла бы их продать и на сбережённие деньги жить.

А здесь не-новые драгоценности много не стоят. Как правило вы платите тысячи а потом у вас их покупаeт на переплав за сотни какой нибудь небритый мужик на 47-ой орусчий "we buy gold and diamonds." :sign63:

А здесь не-новые драгоценности много не стоят. Как правило вы платите тысячи а потом у вас их покупаeт на переплав за сотни какой нибудь небритый мужик на 47-ой орусчий "we buy gold and diamonds." :sign63:


нет, он говорит "е-бай голд, е-бай голд"
I heard him too... :happy25:

нет, он говорит "е-бай голд, е-бай голд"
I heard him too... :happy25:
dude, it seems like you didn't respond to the following (http://www.boojle.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1893#post1893). I guess you agree with all of it! :innoc04:

I think that the reason why bukharian girls want a diamond in their engagement it is to insure that a guy does not go away from her with out a loss. It is like insurance. When you buy a house you need to make a down payment that a buyer should not default on an agreement. There also some benefit for a guy. From a financial point of view, buying a diamond is a good investment for a guy, if he wants to diversify his portfolio.

I think that the reason why bukharian girls want a diamond in their engagement it is to insure that a guy does not go away from her with out a loss. It is like insurance. When you buy a house you need to make a down payment that a buyer should not default on an agreement. There also some benefit for a guy. From a financial point of view, buying a diamond is a good investment for a guy, if he wants to diversify his portfolio.

Interesting point. Girls what you're gonna say to that?

I think that the reason why bukharian girls want a diamond in their engagement it is to insure that a guy does not go away from her with out a loss. It is like insurance. When you buy a house you need to make a down payment that a buyer should not default on an agreement. There also some benefit for a guy. From a financial point of view, buying a diamond is a good investment for a guy, if he wants to diversify his portfolio.
well, if that's true than marriage is nothing but a business deal and the engagement ring is the deposit...

well, if that's true than marriage is nothing but a business deal and the engagement ring is the deposit...


Couldn't of said it better myself :)

well, if that's true than marriage is nothing but a business deal and the engagement ring is the deposit...

:happy65: :happy65: :happy25:

I think that the reason why bukharian girls want a diamond in their engagement it is to insure that a guy does not go away from her with out a loss.
Well, it is a refundable deposit. In case either one of the people wants to break off the engagement, they can do so. And the girl will have to return the ring.

well, if that's true than marriage is nothing but a business deal and the engagement ring is the deposit...
In this country everything is business. :mad54:

I think that the reason why bukharian girls want a diamond in their engagement it is to insure that a guy does not go away from her with out a loss. It is like insurance. When you buy a house you need to make a down payment that a buyer should not default on an agreement. There also some benefit for a guy. From a financial point of view, buying a diamond is a good investment for a guy, if he wants to diversify his portfolio.

I love your way of thinking. May I assume that you are interested in business, finannce, or economics, that kind of stuff?

Well, it is a refundable deposit. In case either one of the people wants to break off the engagement, they can do so. And the girl will have to return the ring.:mad54:

from what i understand deposits are given to make sure that if the one who makes the deposit decides not to conntinue with the deal loses that deposit. Taking that into consideration, I don't see how the girl is expected to return the ring. The ring will be used as a compensation (there is a specific word, a legal term for that) for emotional damage and related issues. Unless the girl herself decided to withdraw, the ring stays with her.

In this country everything is business. :mad54:

Yes, it is otherwise it would not have been docummented and legalized(i mean there are certain rules and laws that apply to it, and that must be carried out to make a marriage legal)

from what i understand deposits are given to make sure that if the one who makes the deposit decides not to conntinue with the deal loses that deposit. Taking that into consideration, I don't see how the girl is expected to return the ring. The ring will be used as a compensation (there is a specific word, a legal term for that) for emotional damage and related issues. Unless the girl herself decided to withdraw, the ring stays with her.

Bukharian old women always say to their children that a wife is like a bank. The more you invest on her, the more you get back from her. So be nice to her. I think it is a good advise. When you deposite/save your money in bank you expect that you will get your money back with interest. Therefore, because a girl used the diamond/money, she has to return the diamond and pay interest on it. :happy65:

I love your way of thinking.
Yes, I also love myself. :tongue21:

May I assume that you are interested in business, finannce, or economics, that kind of stuff?

Yes, you may assume that I love Finance, Politics, Physics, and Psychology.

Couldn't of said it better myself :)
thanx for the back up :happy25: