I heard that if one sleeps on his back, it increases his chances of getting asthma. How true is that?

I heard that if one sleeps on his back, it increases his chances of getting asthma. How true is that?

Thats BS. As if one is aware of what positions he sleeps on thru out the night. Secondly, there are soo many more significant factors that can bring on asthma than a sleeping position.. Where did you hear such nonsense?

Thats BS. As if one is aware of what positions he sleeps on thru out the night. Secondly, there are soo many more significant factors that can bring on asthma than a sleeping position.. Where did you hear such nonsense?
Yes there are other factors to having asthma, but sleeping on the back can increase it. I heard it on the news.

Yes there are other factors to having asthma, but sleeping on the back can increase it. I heard it on the news.

Ohh the newss.... I wonder which network, and perhaps it was one of those random meaningless studies that they conduct to throw people off from the TRUE CAUSES.. Its mass BS propoganda, trust me..

Ohh the newss.... I wonder which network, and perhaps it was one of those random meaningless studies that they conduct to throw people off from the TRUE CAUSES.. Its mass BS propoganda, trust me..
Thank you :)

I found this online:

GERD commonly occurs with obstructive sleep apnea, a condition in which breathing stops temporarily but repeatedly during sleep. It is not clear which condition is responsible for the other, but GERD is particularly severe when both conditions occur together. One study reported that spasms in the vocal cords caused by acid reflux may block the flow of air and cause sleep apnea in adults. On the other hand, other research suggests that the disordered breathing in sleep apnea alters pressure in the chest area and causes GERD. Both conditions may also have risk factors in common, such as sleeping on the back.

Professor Buteyko's research demonstrates that lying down in a horizontal position for a long time causes severe over breathing. Seven to eight hours sleep per night lying on the left side while breathing through the nose is the correct way to sleep. As we fall asleep, breathing gets progressively deeper resulting in asthma attack for asthmatics with low Carbon dioxide level. Sleeping on the back causes overbreathing as there is no restriction to breathing while in this position and the lower jaw drops down promoting mouth breathing. Most asthma attacks occur at night between 3am and 5am.

Professor Buteyko's research demonstrates that lying down in a horizontal position for a long time causes severe over breathing. Seven to eight hours sleep per night lying on the left side while breathing through the nose is the correct way to sleep. As we fall asleep, breathing gets progressively deeper resulting in asthma attack for asthmatics with low Carbon dioxide level. Sleeping on the back causes overbreathing as there is no restriction to breathing while in this position and the lower jaw drops down promoting mouth breathing. Most asthma attacks occur at night between 3am and 5am.


Read what I bolded in your quote. IF YOU ALREADY HAVE ASTHMA, SLEEPING THIS WAY CAN TRIGGER ATTACKS....Sleeping in that position WILL NOT CAUSE ASTHMA, it may irritate it in asthamtics.. Be careful WHEN YOU READ.. :smoke:

:fight25:

I found this online:

GERD commonly occurs with obstructive sleep apnea, a condition in which breathing stops temporarily but repeatedly during sleep. It is not clear which condition is responsible for the other, but GERD is particularly severe when both conditions occur together. One study reported that spasms in the vocal cords caused by acid reflux may block the flow of air and cause sleep apnea in adults. On the other hand, other research suggests that the disordered breathing in sleep apnea alters pressure in the chest area and causes GERD. Both conditions may also have risk factors in common, such as sleeping on the back.

Gee I hate all these made up diagnosises that the modern medical establishment is coming up with.. They create needless labels just so they can create some drug that can supress that symptom that they turned into a disease..

"GERD": Gastro-Esophageal Reflux Disease.. used to be known as simple heartburn/acid indigestion, but now they have to make a DISEASE out of it.. Instead of sleeping uncomfortably to prevent the acid from shooting up and causing additional problems, the actual cause should be eliminated. Probably a toxic liver, toxic colon, weak pancreas plus the stress factor. NOO but modern allopathic medicine WANTS EVERYONE TO SLEEP WITH SO MANY PILLOWS THEY ARE VIRTUALLY STANDING. Do you know why? SO THEN YOU WOULD GO BACK TO YOUR IGNORANT DOCTOR SAYING SINCE YOU WERE TOLD TO SLEEP ELEVATED, YOU HAVE TROUBLE STAYING ASLEEP. THE DOC THEN PRESCRIBES A SLEEPING DRUG (CHA-CHING for Big Pharma). Then the entire chain of events continues until the person is a walking mess, combination of side effects from drugs, bad medical advice regarding lifestyle, ontop of existing environmental toxicity..

IGNORE THESE NEW DIAGNOSISES!!! They are tricks of this trade!!

I heard that if one sleeps on his back, it increases his chances of getting asthma. How true is that?

I guess since I was given an ultimatum ;) I should respond to this thread. As far as this question is concerned, I did not hear of any research supporting this claim that sleeping on one's back increases the chances of getting asthma. However, I think it is a good idea in this thread to explain what Asthma is (I hope I can keep your attention):

Asthma in simple terms can be thought of as an blockage of air going into the lungs. The cause of this blockage is usually an allergic inflamatory reaction to different trigers (such as pollen, dust, mites etc).

Some risk factors include:

- Family history of asthma
- Viral respiratory infection
- Smoke in the environment

Asthma should not be confused with sleep apnea, which is a condition in which a person stops breathing (for some time) durring sleep. In sleep apnea, sleep position do play a role, and in those people with both asthma and sleep apnea, their asthma can be exacerbated because they sleep in a certain way, but this is mostly related to the fact that they have sleep apnea.

I found this online:

GERD commonly occurs with obstructive sleep apnea, a condition in which breathing stops temporarily but repeatedly during sleep. It is not clear which condition is responsible for the other, but GERD is particularly severe when both conditions occur together. One study reported that spasms in the vocal cords caused by acid reflux may block the flow of air and cause sleep apnea in adults. On the other hand, other research suggests that the disordered breathing in sleep apnea alters pressure in the chest area and causes GERD. Both conditions may also have risk factors in common, such as sleeping on the back.

Oh gosh, there are so many things that are wrong with the above bolded statement above that I dont know where to start.

if "spasms in the vocal cords" reffers to a chronic condition called spasmodic dysphonia, it is NOT caused by acid reflux. Spasmodic dysphonioa is a voice disorder caused by involuntary movements of one or more muscles of the larynx (voice box). This condition does not interfere with ones sleep, but only with communication.

Oh gosh, there are so many things that are wrong with the above bolded statement above that I dont know where to start.

if "spasms in the vocal cords" reffers to a chronic condition called spasmodic dysphonia, it is NOT caused by acid reflux. Spasmodic dysphonioa is a voice disorder caused by involuntary movements of one or more muscles of the larynx (voice box). This condition does not interfere with ones sleep, but only with communication.


Sleep apnea and that involuntary muscle movement is all NEUROLOGICAL IN ORIGIN... But nobody will ever want to uncover that fact. Then all sleep disorder specialists and speech pathologists will lose clientele.. :smoke:.. But even if they admitted they were neurological manifestations they would claim "there is no known treatment". So people would need to buy masks for sleep apnea and wear them at night and those with the vocal cord problem will pointlessly visit their speech therapist.. Like trying to massage a paralyzed person into walking again.. :mad25:

Sleep apnea and that involuntary muscle movement is all NEUROLOGICAL IN ORIGIN... But nobody will ever want to uncover that fact. Then all sleep disorder specialists and speech pathologists will lose clientele.. :smoke:.. But even if they admitted they were neurological manifestations they would claim "there is no known treatment". So people would need to buy masks for sleep apnea and wear them at night and those with the vocal cord problem will pointlessly visit their speech therapist.. Like trying to massage a paralyzed person into walking again.. :mad25:

Executive, I think at some point in your life, you should start thinking about working together with other health care providers rather than bashing each one of them and working against them....Hmmm...Maybe that's the business strategy that has to be used, but I think you are making more of a fool out of yourself than anything.

Executive, I think at some point in your life, you should start thinking about working together with other health care providers rather than bashing each one of them and working against them....Hmmm...Maybe that's the business strategy that has to be used, but I think you are making more of a fool out of yourself than anything.

Why? Is the TRUTH that painful? :smoke:

The only "health care" providers I would work with would be the ones who are well versed and open minded to "complimentary/alternative" approaches. These types of physicians are an endangered species..

Why? Is the TRUTH that painful? :smoke:

The only "health care" providers I would work with would be the ones who are well versed and open minded to "complimentary/alternative" approaches. These types of physicians are an endangered species..

I think you are doing an awsome job promoting alternative/complimentary medicine. But as you are promoting this idea, by your other actions (like bashing the whole medical proffession), you are repelling many people against you. I think if you work on trying to attract more health care proffessionals rather than repell them, your life would be much easier, and maybe even open-minded practioners would not be so endangered. Just my 2 cents. :party39:

I think you are doing an awsome job promoting alternative/complimentary medicine. But as you are promoting this idea, by your other actions (like bashing the whole medical proffession), you are repelling many people against you. I think if you work on trying to attract more health care proffessionals rather than repell them, your life would be much easier, and maybe even open-minded practioners would not be so endangered. Just my 2 cents. :party39:

Ohh I think you totally misunderstood me!!!! :). If I had my way, I would EXECUTE the ones who KNOW that they are killing their patients (and trust me there are some that are purposefully negligent), and the other naive fools I would spare for lack of insight and being victims of their medical educations (have them take courses in nutritional biochemistry, naturopathy, homeopathy, bioenergetics, and accupressure including manual and cranial sacral therapy)..

I can care less if I repel allopathic doctors or anyone who wants to be one for that matter, including nurses or practitioners who advocate the current medical system in this country. My goal is not to impress them or recruit them, chances are they rather be part of the insurance milking system, because they see that path being easiest to pay their bills.. AT THE EXPENSE OF THE SICK! What doesn't make sense to you exactly? :smoke:

Ohh I think you totally misunderstood me!!!! :). If I had my way, I would EXECUTE the ones who KNOW that they are killing their patients (and trust me there are some that are purposefully negligent), and the other naive fools I would spare for lack of insight and being victims of their medical educations (have them take courses in nutritional biochemistry, naturopathy, homeopathy, bioenergetics, and accupressure including manual and cranial sacral therapy)..

I can care less if I repel allopathic doctors or anyone who wants to be one for that matter, including nurses or practitioners who advocate the current medical system in this country. My goal is not to impress them or recruit them, chances are they rather be part of the insurance milking system, because they see that path being easiest to pay their bills.. AT THE EXPENSE OF THE SICK! What doesn't make sense to you exactly? :smoke:

To be honest, I do not see how you are open minded (and you even admited once that you aren't). Then how can you expect others to be open minded when you yourself can not be one. You know pretty well that there is no 100% certainty in medical science (including all your vitamins and supplements). So my feeling is, you'd be much better off sometimes considering alopathic medicine in addition to alternative medicine. I think both alopathic practioners and alternative practitioners should be working together rather than each preaching that their system is a better system (which in reality is probably false, because traditional medicine is not better than alternative medicine, and alternative medicine is not better than traditional medicine).

To be honest, I do not see how you are open minded (and you even admited once that you aren't). Then how can you expect others to be open minded when you yourself can not be one. You know pretty well that there is no 100% certainty in medical science (including all your vitamins and supplements). So my feeling is, you'd be much better off sometimes considering alopathic medicine in addition to alternative medicine. I think both alopathic practioners and alternative practitioners should be working together rather than each preaching that their system is a better system (which in reality is probably false, because traditional medicine is not better than alternative medicine, and alternative medicine is not better than traditional medicine).


You still don't see it... "Alternatove medicine" has several branches which are ALL HARMLESS!!!! And a person must try each branch of medicine to see what works for him, such as:

Orthomolecular Nutrient Supplementation:
Simply taking supplements for balancing certain metabolic or functional disbalances. This can be done under the supervision of a Naturopathic/MD or Phd who will conduct specialized blood analysis to narrow down any specific detailed nutrient deficiency.

Homeopathy:
The practitioner considers the totality of symptoms of a particular case, then chooses as a remedy a substance that has been reported in a homeopathic proving to produce similar symptoms in healthy subjects. The remedial substance is usually given in extremely low concentrations. Dilutions are performed by a procedure known as potentization.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy
http://www.traumeel.com/about/?smid=1

Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) or Oriental medicine:
Accupuncture along with chinese herbs in balancing the energy meridians and organ systems within the body based INDIVIDUALLY ON EACH PATIENTS BODY TYPE & DATE OF BIRTH. Most oriental practitioners are able to tell a person what they are prone too as far as illnesses, and what foods they should avoid etc.

Ayurveda (Indian Traditional Medicine and Healing science):
Ayurveda is a wholistic system of medicine from India that uses a constitutional model. Its aim is to provide guidance regarding food and lifestyle so that healthy people can stay healthy and folks with health challenges can improve their health.
There are several aspects to Ayurveda that are quite unique:

Its recommendations will often be different for each person regarding which foods and which lifestyle they should follow in order to be completely healthy. This is due to it's use of a constitutional model.
Everything in Ayurveda is validated by observation, inquiry, direct examination and knowledge derived from the ancient texts.
It understands that there are energetic forces that influence nature and human beings. These forces are called the Tridoshas.
Because Ayurveda sees a strong connection between the mind and the body, a huge amount of information is available regarding this relationship.

So my point Mr. PA is that ALLOPATHIC MEDICINE (IN THE USA) IS A FRANKENSTEIN OF A "MEDICAL SYSTEM". All it has achieved in this last half century was to isolate all organ systems as being "seperate", develope more drugs targeted at suppressing specific organic symptoms, while simultaneosuly being a TOXIC burden to the body's elimination systems, throwing it off balance, spwaning massive side effects (and sometimes side DAMAGE) which creates a spiral of more drugs for more symptoms of new "labels" they call diagnosises etc.. THERE IS NO PLACE FOR ALLOPATHIC MEDICINE OTHER THAN PERHAPS TRAUMA and EMERGENCY TREATMENT in Emergency rooms.. All these drugs have efficicacy in emergency rescuscitation ONLY, not in therapy and healing...:smoke:

I must admit, atleast in other countries they have both American poison approved as well as several endogenous compounds approved as "medicine" but what we here can buy at the vitamin shoppe. A few examples:

CoQ10: approved in Japan, Europe and other countries for dozens of heart ailments.

L-Carnitine: Approved in several countries for heart failure, insufficiency etc.

Hawthorne extract: Heart failure, insufficiency.

S-AdenosylMethionine (livers #1 detoxifier): Approved as medicine allover the world except the US for Depression, Liver cholestasis, cirrhosis, joint pain and arthritis.

Benfotiamine: A fat soluble analogue of vitamin B1 (Thiamine) developed and approved in Germany for the treatment of diabetic neuropathy.

Methylcobalamin: The naturally bio-active form of Vitamin B12 used in Japan to treat a vast range of neurological problems.

I can list dozens more. And the sad part is the FDA is AFRAID TO EVALUATE THESE SUBSTANCES FOR THESE PROBLEMS, so they rather not evaluate naturally occurring substances at all. Have them sold freely in the vitamin stores..

Remember one thing:
ALLOPATHIC MEDICINE IS NOT MEDICINE

"ALTERNATIVE" IS THE ONLY TRUE MEDICINE.. :smoke:

You just seem to have a twisted view because of all the propoganda that surrounds you, including your education I am sure... Mass pursuasion. Didn't I post a thread on mass pursuasion wayy back??

You still don't see it...

I actually think I get your point pretty well, but again, you refuse to look at both sides of the story.

"Alternatove medicine" has several branches which are ALL HARMLESS!!!!

This statement by itself, is FALSE already. Can you guarantee with 100% acuracy that all those branches of alternative medicine are harmless?? I think not. Let's look at them:

Orthomolecular Nutrient Supplementation:
Simply taking supplements for balancing certain metabolic or functional disbalances. This can be done under the supervision of a Naturopathic/MD or Phd who will conduct specialized blood analysis to narrow down any specific detailed nutrient deficiency.

Homeopathy:
The practitioner considers the totality of symptoms of a particular case, then chooses as a remedy a substance that has been reported in a homeopathic proving to produce similar symptoms in healthy subjects. The remedial substance is usually given in extremely low concentrations. Dilutions are performed by a procedure known as potentization.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy
http://www.traumeel.com/about/?smid=1

Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) or Oriental medicine:
Accupuncture along with chinese herbs in balancing the energy meridians and organ systems within the body based INDIVIDUALLY ON EACH PATIENTS BODY TYPE & DATE OF BIRTH. Most oriental practitioners are able to tell a person what they are prone too as far as illnesses, and what foods they should avoid etc.

Ayurveda (Indian Traditional Medicine and Healing science):
Ayurveda is a wholistic system of medicine from India that uses a constitutional model. Its aim is to provide guidance regarding food and lifestyle so that healthy people can stay healthy and folks with health challenges can improve their health.
There are several aspects to Ayurveda that are quite unique:

Its recommendations will often be different for each person regarding which foods and which lifestyle they should follow in order to be completely healthy. This is due to it's use of a constitutional model.
Everything in Ayurveda is validated by observation, inquiry, direct examination and knowledge derived from the ancient texts.
It understands that there are energetic forces that influence nature and human beings. These forces are called the Tridoshas.
Because Ayurveda sees a strong connection between the mind and the body, a huge amount of information is available regarding this relationship.


In all branches that you listed, it is important that each supplement be dosed appropriately, and many can interfere with other medications. Supervision of a health care proffessional trained in each of those types of alternative medicine is vital, as well as patient education, because things can get pretty confusing if we now start preaching that all of those types of alternative medicine are harmless, and each person should just go and try every one of them, expecting something good to happen to them after they do try it.

So my point Mr. PA is that ALLOPATHIC MEDICINE (IN THE USA) IS A FRANKENSTEIN OF A "MEDICAL SYSTEM". All it has achieved in this last half century was to isolate all organ systems as being "seperate", develope more drugs targeted at suppressing specific organic symptoms, while simultaneosuly being a TOXIC burden to the body's elimination systems, throwing it off balance, spwaning massive side effects (and sometimes side DAMAGE) which creates a spiral of more drugs for more symptoms of new "labels" they call diagnosises etc.. THERE IS NO PLACE FOR ALLOPATHIC MEDICINE OTHER THAN PERHAPS TRAUMA and EMERGENCY TREATMENT in Emergency rooms.. All these drugs have efficicacy in emergency rescuscitation ONLY, not in therapy and healing...:smoke:


Again you are bashing the medical system, trying to repell practioners away from you rather than trying to work with them together. Again you are making blank statements without giving me good facts to support those statements.

Let me give you some facts about the medical system that you are calling "A FRANKENSTEIN":
1. The life expectancy of people living in the US is now the highest it has ever been.
2. Because of technological advances, we can now screen for colon, prostate, breast, and cervical cancers, catch them early, and treat them earlier, therefore prolong the life of our patients. Since the development of those screening methods, the death rate for those cancers have fallen dramaticaly. Many of these, by the way, are done right at the primary care MD's office, and if they are not done at the PCP's office, it is the primary care provider who usually the person advocating for these screenings.
3. We are now able to treat diabetes much better than we used to before. End organ damage that you'd see in people with uncontroled diabetes 50 years ago, has been decreased significantly. Certainly, more work needs to be done here, but new research is very promising.

There is much more that can be said about today's medicine.

I am not saying that medicine today does not have its share of problems, it does just like any other place you turn to. But to call it a "Frankestein" is only ignorant on your part.


I must admit, atleast in other countries they have both American poison approved as well as several endogenous compounds approved as "medicine" but what we here can buy at the vitamin shoppe. A few examples:

CoQ10: approved in Japan, Europe and other countries for dozens of heart ailments.

L-Carnitine: Approved in several countries for heart failure, insufficiency etc.

Hawthorne berry extract: Heart failure, insufficiency

S-AdenosylMethione (livers #1 detoxifier): Approved as medicine allover the world except the US for Depression, Liver cholestasis, cirrhosis, joint pain and arthritis.

I can list dozens more. And the sad part is the FDA is AFRAID TO EVALUATE THESE SUBSTANCES FOR THESE PROBLEMS, so they rather not evaluate naturally occurring substances at all. Have them sold freely in the vitamin stores..

Here, I agree with you. The US FDA should work better at evaluating and approving some of the supplements for medicinal use. This is certainly one of the problems of the FDA. But this, in no way, makes our whole medical system a "Frankenstein."

I actually think I get your point pretty well, but again, you refuse to look at both sides of the story.



This statement by itself, is FALSE already. Can you guarantee with 100% acuracy that all those branches of alternative medicine are harmless?? I think not. Let's look at them:



In all branches that you listed, it is important that each supplement be dosed appropriately, and many can interfere with other medications. Supervision of a health care proffessional trained in each of those types of alternative medicine is vital, as well as patient education, because things can get pretty confusing if we now start preaching that all of those types of alternative medicine are harmless, and each person should just go and try every one of them, expecting something good to happen to them after they do try it.



Again you are bashing the medical system, trying to repell practioners away from you rather than trying to work with them together. Again you are making blank statements without giving me good facts to support those statements.

Let me give you some facts about the medical system that you are calling "A FRANKENSTEIN":
1. The life expectancy of people living in the US is now the highest it has ever been.
2. Because of technological advances, we can now screen for colon, prostate, breast, and cervical cancers, catch them early, and treat them earlier, therefore prolong the life of our patients. Since the development of those screening methods, the death rate for those cancers have fallen dramaticaly. Many of these, by the way, are done right at the primary care MD's office, and if they are not done at the PCP's office, it is the primary care provider who usually the person advocating for these screenings.
3. We are now able to treat diabetes much better than we used to before. End organ damage that you'd see in people with uncontroled diabetes 50 years ago, has been decreased significantly. Certainly, more work needs to be done here, but new research is very promising.

There is much more that can be said about today's medicine.

I am not saying that medicine today does not have its share of problems, it does just like any other place you turn to. But to call it a "Frankestein" is only ignorant on your part.



Here, I agree with you. The US FDA should work better at evaluating and approving some of the supplements for medicinal use. This is certainly one of the problems of the FDA. But this, in no way, makes our whole medical system a "Frankenstein."


You seem to purposefully blind. What I meant by harmless I meant it would take MEGADOSES on most cases to cause toxicity. Anything in high amounts can be lethal, even water! Yes I am sure you know of water poisoning. Someone can literally drink themselves to death (electrolyte depletion), causing convulsions, kidney failure and/or possibly cardiac arrest.

You fail to see the obvious logic here. Pharmaceutically engineered man-made compounds aka "DRUGS" are FOREIGN chemicals to the body, and must be extensively metobolized in many cases. Not all are equally toxic and dangerous BUT MOST ARE! Antibiotics and synthetic hormones definetly take the PLATINUM MEDAL in this area as far toxicity. Antibiotics can not only cause PERMANENT DNA DAMAGE at the CELLULAR level, but can be neurotoxic, and are prescribed for ridiculous problems, such as: MINOCYCLINE FOR ACNE ROSACEA. How can any antibiotic be prescribed for YEARS AT A TIME for something as MILD as ACNE?? I am sure this must have contributed to alot of energy deficits I PERSONALLY ENCOUNTERED. As a teen I took Minocyclin for almost 2 years for mild teenage acne, not knowing back then of the possible cumulative effects.

There are plenty of drug rating/review websites out there and MANY report elevated liver enzymes while taking this drug. And this one is probably the best of them all as far as tolerance. Quiet killer is what it is.. The pharmaceutical industry might have wiped out bacterial diseases but it has SPAWNED A NEW ERA OF ENVIRONMENTALLY INDUCED DISEASES: "Autoimmune" as if the body is dumb enough to attack itself, RISING CANCER RATES, Chronic Fatigue syndromes all over being diagnosed FALSELY as depression and many many more.

Life expectancy has increased DUE TO BETTER HYGIENE, LESS POVERTY AND CLEAN WATER NOT DRUGS. They are taking credit for something they are NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR. Keep ONE thing in mind, the baby boomer generation is 75% healthier than our generation will be at their age. We already see many more YOUNG PEOPLE BEING MISERABLY SICK when that was unheard of 30 - 50 years ago. The drug bombardment, inoculations and environmental poisoning begin as soon as they are born.. In this country its all about STATISTICS. In Europe they have something called QOL factor, or QUALITY OF LIFE. Here, aslong as you LIVE (EXIST) to a certain age, thats all they care about. Look at most Intensive Care Units and see the shape of our elderly. Yes, the last 15 years of their lives they are in and out of the hospitals, popping 20 different drugs and are hardly mobile. IF we measure Quality of Life of the sick in the USA, it would be drastically lower as compared to other countries where American developed drugs are not always used a first line of treatment.. I am not solely blaming the Pharma industry, but also their partner in crime the FOOD INDUSTRY that starts the sickness cycle. They work hand in hand. Big business has complete and total control of government and the PEOPLE ARE THE VICTIMS.. This is the price to pay for Capitalism on steroids, HOWEVER, atleast in this country we are given the power of FREE CHOICE! The blind and ignorant suffer and die while the open minded and intelligent can opt to change and not fall prey to the "system"..

Diabetes? Are you insane?

The insulin inducing drugs prescribed for diabetics with type 2 eventually make them type 1s, due to the pancreases overproduction leading to its eventually failure to produce any insulin requiring injections.

The popular Metformin is causing hundreds of cases of kidney damage and failure in some cases leading to growing transplant lists. In other cases it casues liver damage.

Insulin sensitizing drugs cause liver abnormalities and damage. Liver is our bodies essential organ next to the brain. We still see diabetics get gangrene and amputations. Not much has changed except for drop in quality of life. We have more therapists and medical supplies and equipment that are hardly of any help in improving health quality. They simply teach people how to LIVE/EXIST WITH THEIR HEALTH ISSUES. Its become the normal mentality of health professionals, that THE SICK ARE HOPELESS AND WE MUST HELP THEM IN DEALING WITH THEIR "ILLNESS".. Mass pursuasion, a blinded nation...

But you know what, I understand that your stubborny defending YOUR industry since you have invested your entire higher education to be part of it. So I will let you and everyone check out personal reviews. Here is a link to a drug rating website (this link is for the antibiotics). Take a look at what people FEEL and go thru while on this poison.:

http://www.askapatient.com/classreport.asp?class=ANTIBACTERIALS,%20MISCELLANE OUS

here are 2 links link to one of the worst of the bunch, flagyl aka Metronidazole:
http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?drug=18517&name=METRONIDAZOLE

http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?drug=12623&name=FLAGYL

Its funny how people don't realize that the "side effects" they feel are the beginning of future problems. Pharmaceutical companies don't take into account factors such as: Alcohol consuption, tobacco, bad diets when they manufacture and test these drugs. They assume everyone is the same and can bear toxic burdens. If you put these drugs on the scale for what they were developed for verses their toxicity, the bad would outweigh the good. Would you take chemotherapy for acne or diahrea? I doubt it..

List by drug classifications:
http://www.askapatient.com/viewtopratings.asp

Check out this site that compares remedy's via personal reviews (all remedies natural and non):

http://www.remedyfind.com

As far as "research", the dollars that are received by all those corrupt associations will NEVER BE USED TO FIND TRUE CURES!!

Here is something you should read about Industry backed organizations:

An industry-funded organization receives funding from a company or industry and often acts as a mouthpiece for views that serve the industry's economic interests.

Industry-funded organizations come in many shapes and sizes. These included trade associations, think tanks, non-profit advocacy groups, and media outlets. Some of these organizations serve as "third parties" for public relations campaigns. The third party technique has been defined by one PR executive as putting "your words in someone else's mouth."

These organizations purport to represent one agenda while in reality they serve some other party or interest whose sponsorship is hidden or rarely mentioned. For example, the Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF), which has a lengthy entry in the SourceWatch, claims its mission is to defend the rights of consumers to choose to eat, drink and smoke as they please. In reality, CCF is a front group for agribusiness and the tobacco, restaurant, and alcoholic beverage industries, which provide most of its funding.

Of course, not all organizations engaged in manipulative efforts to shape public opinion can be classified as "front groups." For example, the now defunct Tobacco Institute was highly deceptive, but it didn't hide the fact that it represented the tobacco industry. There are also degrees of concealment. The Global Climate Coalition, for example, didn't hide the fact that its funding came from oil and coal companies, but nevertheless its name alone is sufficiently misleading that it can reasonably be considered a front group.

This sort of manipulation doesn't necessarily entail outright lies of commission, but it typically entails lies of omission that disguise the identity of the message's sponsor. The use of the third party technique tends to corrupt journalism, science and the other institutions that it touches. Moreover, using lies of omission rather than commission enables the people who participate in front groups to rationalize that they aren't really doing anything wrong. The logic of the third party technique implies that when PR firms set out to manufacture news, they often want to keep their clients (and themselves) out of the story.

Thanks for the rating website, it was pretty cool. I will try to stop arguing with you, I was trying to do this: :fight25: , but it turned into this: :fight61: . I think it's borring for others. So I've decided to stop.