A truly funny and sarcasticly humorous film about the pharmaceutical sales industry is being released this spring in certain theatres and on DVD.

Here is the home page form the site. Make sure to click the trailers link at the bottom to watch a very very funny trailer :D.

http://www.sideeffectsthemovie.com/home.shtml

Oh and here is another GREAT ONE :D: Called Super-Size ME. Obesity and the corruption of stuffing Americans to death by corporate america.
http://www.supersizeme.com/

By the way, I was able to easily download the entire super-size me movie off limewire. So whoever is on broadband, download it and enjoy :D.

Enjoy. And I highly suggest you watch both movies. Then and only then will any of you skeptics be prepared to read Kevin trudeuau's book: Natural Cures "THEY" Don't Want You to Know About. This book is a MUST read NY Times best seller!!!

This is the beginning of the opening of America's eyes to the mass poisoning of our Nation..:smoke:

Be well everyone!

A truly funny and sarcasticly humorous film about the pharmaceutical sales industry is being released this spring in certain theatres and on DVD.

Here is the home page form the site. Make sure to click the trailers link at the bottom to watch a very very funny trailer :D.

http://www.sideeffectsthemovie.com/home.shtml

Oh and here is another GREAT ONE :D: Called Super-Size ME. Obesity and the corruption of stuffing Americans to death by corporate america.
http://www.supersizeme.com/

By the way, I was able to easily download the entire super-size me movie off limewire. So whoever is on broadband, download it and enjoy :D.

Enjoy. And I highly suggest you watch both movies. Then and only then will any of you skeptics be prepared to read Kevin trudeuau's book: Natural Cures "THEY" Don't Want You to Know About. This book is a MUST read NY Times best seller!!!

This is the beginning of the opening of America's eyes to the mass poisoning of our Nation..:smoke:

Be well everyone!

I saw a few parts of the Super Size Me on HBO On Demand. was crazy.

Kevin Trudeau has a Natural Cures seminar too. I have yet to hear it. (I'm working on his Mega Memory seminars now. Very cool stuff!)

Thanks Executive!

I saw a few parts of the Super Size Me on HBO On Demand. was crazy.

Kevin Trudeau has a Natural Cures seminar too. I have yet to hear it. (I'm working on his Mega Memory seminars now. Very cool stuff!)

Thanks Executive!

i have his all cds Kevin Trudeau, Natural Cures if you would like i can send it to you, absolutely good stuff to hear, and truth about our profited corporations, he faces lots fo lawsuits bec he tells the truth about food, drugs, health, FDA, FTC, etc. a major wistle blower.
PM me for more details.

i have his all cds Kevin Trudeau, Natural Cures if you would like i can send it to you, absolutely good stuff to hear, and truth about our profited corporations, he faces lots fo lawsuits bec he tells the truth about food, drugs, health, FDA, FTC, etc. a major wistle blower.
PM me for more details.

You go boy!! Spread the word!!! :D.

Here is a link to an article from Forbes.com about this film. It was actually released last year.
http://www.sideeffectsthemovie.com/press/news/articles/Forbes_com%20Film%20Exposes%20Pharmaceutical%20Sec rets.htm

Here is an excerpt:

"Side Effects" is part of a larger trend of portraying the members of the medical establishment as monsters in popular culture, said Jim Farrelly, director of film studies at the University of Dayton. Rising health care costs, the growing number of uninsured and drug safety concerns have made portrayals of money-hungry managed care executives, shoddy doctors, and greedy pharmaceutical executives into TV staples. They turn up in movies and books, too.

A new book by a former Pfizer Inc. sales representative is on the way. And Michael Moore, who recently skewered U.S. President George Bush in his movie "Fahrenheit 9/11", is working on a film about the health care industry.

The film is based on the true experience of its producer who was a Pharma sales rep for 9 years at Johnson & Johnson as well as Bristol-Myers Squibb Co.

Here is an interview with her: http://www.sideeffectsthemovie.com/press/audio/mediamatters.mp3

Sad to hear how Doctors get educated about drugs by political science majors trained to be sales people..SAD

For dozens of more articles that are VERY interesting: http://www.sideeffectsthemovie.com/press/

i have his all cds Kevin Trudeau, Natural Cures if you would like i can send it to you, absolutely good stuff to hear, and truth about our profited corporations, he faces lots fo lawsuits bec he tells the truth about food, drugs, health, FDA, FTC, etc. a major wistle blower.
PM me for more details.

i already have it in my MP3 :) thanks for the offer tho!

i already have it in my MP3 :) thanks for the offer tho!
hahah, me too lol.
Folcks...It's All about the Money how he puts it.

I actually have not seen Kevin Trudeau's videos, would love to see it. I am pretty sure it's just a marketing gimmik, but would love to give it a chance.

I saw a few parts of the Super Size Me on HBO On Demand. was crazy.

Kevin Trudeau has a Natural Cures seminar too. I have yet to hear it. (I'm working on his Mega Memory seminars now. Very cool stuff!)

Thanks Executive!

Good girl!! Stay informed and educate others !!! :). Your welcome ;).

I actually have not seen Kevin Trudeau's videos, would love to see it. I am pretty sure it's just a marketing gimmik, but would love to give it a chance.

Videos? You mean his infomercials for the book? The people above are talking about his audio CD version of the book. Its no marketing gimmick buddy, its all SCARY FACT.. Its not like Kevin is singing this song solo, there are hundreds of others saying exactly the same things from FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE! People should stop judging this book's author and start JUDGING THE BOOK!! Its GOLD! Those who are in denial, and afraid to believe the facts, are rejecting the information. I am one of the people who a few years ago used to laugh at all those who spoke of any conspiracies or government corruption. Today it is well beyond obvious. I have personally witnessed this, was told about this by doctors who "crossed over", pharmaceutical sales people who "crossed over", and the documentary of the century: "PRESCRIPTION FOR DISASTER", where congressmen, ex pharmaceutical executives, and former FDA commissioner ALL SAID THE EXACT SAME THING.

What is even worse is the food industry's massive poisoning and starving of the american people. We all assume that obese and overweight americans are over-fed. THEY ARE NOT!! They are calorically over-fed but in all reality they are nutrient depleted and STARVED!! That is why the body eats more of the empty foods, it is craving to get the nutrition from quantity, and it can't seem to get enough. Mcdonalds, McMurder with their food that can induce liver fibrosis/cirrhosis. Watch Super-size me, you will get sickened.

Watch Super-size me, you will get sickened.

I saw the whole movie, and used to work for a medicaly surervised weight loss program before my PA days. So the issue of obesity is dear to my heart. There is a lot of work to do with the obesity epidemic in this country, and unfortunately there is no magic bullet to easily accomplish your goals. It takes a lot of work, determination, and lifelong commitment.

I saw the whole movie, and used to work for a medicaly surervised weight loss program before my PA days. So the issue of obesity is dear to my heart. There is a lot of work to do with the obesity epidemic in this country, and unfortunately there is no magic bullet to easily accomplish your goals. It takes a lot of work, determination, and lifelong commitment.

You claim that you've seen the entire movie, yet how do you not remember an important point that a university professor brought up regarding Naloxone being able to block cravings for chocolate by inhibiting opiate receptors similar to how heroine addicts are treated in accute withdrawal phases. Here is a real clinical study conducted with Naloxone on obese mice. I thjink you'll find what you read VERY interesting..

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=6281824&dopt=Abstract

By the way, I knew this 2 years ago. All the "hydrolyzed wheat protein", "vegetable protein", "yeast extract" and others are all natural names and naturally derived PEPTIDES (acting as opiodes) that affect the opiate receptors in the brain and change feeding mechanisms as well as alter cellular metabolism and body mass via the lateral hypothalamus!!! Yea, very hard to trace back.. The guys in the labs in food companies do more R&D designing food, than the pharma bastards do in trying to develope the next symptom suppressor. :smoke:

Hydrolized proteins sound safer than adding morphine to food, dont u agree?

Friendly, remember ONE THING: THE FOOD INDUSTRY DESIGNS FOOD TO BE ADDICTIVE USING NATURALLY DERIVED PROTEINS TO ACT AS MORPHINE LIKE OPIODES TO CONTROL FEEDING/SATIETY IN HUMANS.

TAKE NOT THAT THE STUDY ABOVE WAS CONDUCTED IN 1982!!!! BEFORE ALL THIS HYPE!! ITS A VALID AND HIGHLY PROBABLE (IF NOT FACTUAL) HYPOTHESIS.. I spoke to dozens of Biochemisrty Phd's and all say exactly the same thing: ALL PROCESSED FOODS WITH ADDITIVES CONTAIN MORPHINE LIKE SUBSTANCES, ESPCIALLY WHEAT PRODUCTS.

You claim that you've seen the entire movie, yet how do you not remember an important point that a university professor brought up regarding Naloxone being able to block cravings for chocolate by inhibiting opiate receptors similar to how heroine addicts are treated in accute withdrawal phases. Here is a real clinical study conducted with Naloxone on obese mice. I thjink you'll find what you read VERY interesting..

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=6281824&dopt=Abstract

By the way, I knew this 2 years ago. All the "hydrolyzed wheat protein", "vegetable protein", "yeast extract" and others are all natural names and naturally derived PEPTIDES (acting as opiodes) that affect the opiate receptors in the brain and change feeding mechanisms as well as alter cellular metabolism and body mass via the lateral hypothalamus!!! Yea, very hard to trace back.. The guys in the labs in food companies do more R&D designing food, than the pharma bastards do in trying to develope the next symptom suppressor. :smoke:

Hydrolized proteins sound safer than adding morphine to food, dont u agree?

I am not so sure about naloxone, but currently there are 2 FDA approved medications, orlistat (Xenical) and sibutramine (Meridia) for weight loss. Xenical is a lipase blocker (so there are very few side effects, and it doesn't work centrally), and Meridia is a sentrally acting appetite suppresants. Both work for weight loss, but neither work without commitment to diet and exersise. Even if you lose weight on meds, the regain is greater after you stop them if you don't commit to diet and exercise lifelong.

There are very interesting studies currently and some providers already started using topiramate (Topamax) for weight loss. Topamax is an antiseizure medication that has a side effect of weight loss. Some people are using it, but I wouldn't use it just yet.

The point is, no medication that's currently on the market is a magic bullet for obesity. People still have to commit to lifelong diet and exercise.

I am not so sure about naloxone, but currently there are 2 FDA approved medications, orlistat (Xenical) and sibutramine (Meridia) for weight loss. Xenical is a lipase blocker (so there are very few side effects, and it doesn't work centrally), and Meridia is a sentrally acting appetite suppresants. Both work for weight loss, but neither work without commitment to diet and exersise. Even if you lose weight on meds, the regain is greater after you stop them if you don't commit to diet and exercise lifelong.

There are very interesting studies currently and some providers already started using topiramate (Topamax) for weight loss. Topamax is an antiseizure medication that has a side effect of weight loss. Some people are using it, but I wouldn't use it just yet.

The point is, no medication that's currently on the market is a magic bullet for obesity. People still have to commit to lifelong diet and exercise.

Why not stay away from modified foods that are causing this in first place instead of taking neurally mediating drugs that are probably potent enough for horses and not humans. Lipase blocker I am assuming will either negatively impact the pancreas, and blocking the pancreatic enzyme that breaks down fats can be highly detrimental to well being.

The obese in the most part tend to be poverty level people who eat JUNK without giving it a second guess. Very few are genetically predisposed. Unless the genetically modified foods are affecting human DNA to the point of altering reproductive cells..Anything is possible. My point is, the FOOD INDUSTRY IS THE CAUSE!! Why should HUMANS be the lab rats for the food industry and big pharma?? Eat poison then take tablet poison to "attempt" to fix the damage done buy the toxic modified food? DRUGS ARE NOT THE SOLUTION AND HAVE BEEN PROVEN TO BE FATAL!! Remember Fen-Fen? Obesity drug that caused fatal heart valve problems.. DRUGS ARE NOT THE MAGIC BULLET FOR ANYTHING!!! THE OBESITY EPIDEMIC CONTINUES TO RISE REGARDLESS OF THE BULLSH*T "ADVANCES". Years have gone by, the pharma companies have been making billions and the HEALTH OF AMERICANS CONTINUES TO DETERIORATE!!

STOP YOUR RIDICULOUS ADVOCACY OF THIS INDUSTRY.. :fight61:

if only drug and food comanies would not be trated at the stock market daily, world could be more healthier and people would live in longer years.
when i heard from Kevin in the Natural Cures so many horros about our food and drug companies i coud not help but notice our society is so obesed and the drugs that we take in the hands of guilty profit oriented industries yet we cannot do antyhing about obesity! becasue it is everywhere we put in our mouth, breath, even medcine we take.
feel helpless to people whom are overwieght it isnt their foult we should take action agaisnt the the big industries.

Why not stay away from modified foods that are causing this in first place instead of taking neurally mediating drugs that are probably potent enough for horses and not humans. Lipase blocker I am assuming will either negatively impact the pancreas, and blocking the pancreatic enzyme that breaks down fats can be highly detrimental to well being.

The obese in the most part tend to be poverty level people who eat JUNK without giving it a second guess. Very few are genetically predisposed. Unless the genetically modified foods are affecting human DNA to the point of altering reproductive cells..Anything is possible. My point is, the FOOD INDUSTRY IS THE CAUSE!! Why should HUMANS be the lab rats for the food industry and big pharma?? Eat poison then take tablet poison to "attempt" to fix the damage done buy the toxic modified food? DRUGS ARE NOT THE SOLUTION AND HAVE BEEN PROVEN TO BE FATAL!! Remember Fen-Fen? Obesity drug that caused fatal heart valve problems.. DRUGS ARE NOT THE MAGIC BULLET FOR ANYTHING!!! THE OBESITY EPIDEMIC CONTINUES TO RISE REGARDLESS OF THE BULLSH*T "ADVANCES". Years have gone by, the pharma companies have been making billions and the HEALTH OF AMERICANS CONTINUES TO DETERIORATE!!

STOP YOUR RIDICULOUS ADVOCACY OF THIS INDUSTRY.. :fight61:

Executive, STOP YOUR RIDICULOUS BASHING AT TODAY'S MEDICINE!!!!

Please reffer to post #10 in this thread where I said myself that "there is no magic bullet to battle obesity in this country." To this, you brought up naloxone, and in my last post all I tried to explain was that there are medications that are currently approved by the FDA (unlike naloxone) for weight loss, but even THOSE medications don't work by themselves, and THEREFORE ARE NOT MAGIC BULLETS. And I even said that there has to be commitement to diet and exercise!!!! :fight61:

I think we are agreeing on the same thing!!!! I am sorry, but I really don't see the point of your last post!!!!

Executive, STOP YOUR RIDICULOUS BASHING AT TODAY'S MEDICINE!!!!

Please reffer to post #10 in this thread where I said myself that "there is no magic bullet to battle obesity in this country." To this, you brought up naloxone, and in my last post all I tried to explain was that there are medications that are currently approved by the FDA (unlike naloxone) for weight loss, but even THOSE medications don't work by themselves, and THEREFORE ARE NOT MAGIC BULLETS. And I even said that there has to be commitement to diet and exercise!!!! :fight61:

I think we are agreeing on the same thing!!!! I am sorry, but I really don't see the point of your last post!!!!


I noticed your statement about the "no magic bullet for obesity" right away. You obviously misinterpreted the reason for the Naloxone link. My point was NOT to develop drugs to mimick naloxone to treat obesity. My POINT WAS THAT IF NALOXONE IS ABLE TO STOP THESE UNNATURAL ADDICTION-LIKE CRAVINGS, THEN THE FOODS THAT THEY ARE CONSUMING HAVE SOMETHING IN COMMON WITH HEROINE LIKE OPIODES!!! NORMAL FOOD ASIDE FROM POPPY SEEDS SHOULD NOT HAVE OPIODE LIKE EFFECTS ON THE HUMAN BRAIN!!! MY POINT WAS THAT ALL THE HYDROLIZED PROTEINS DERIVED FROM WHEAT, YEAST AND OTHER SOURCES WITH OTHER ADDITIVES, ARE USED AS MISLEADING DISGUISED OPIODES THAT WERE PURPOSELY ADDED TO THE FOODS FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF MAKING THEM ADDICTIVE. THE FOOD INDUSTRY HAS RESEARCH AND DEVELOPEMENT LABS CONDUCTING TESTS ON WHAT MAKES FOODS MORE ADDICTIVE. THEY ARE MAKING FOODS MIND ALTERING AND HIGHLY ADDICTIVE!! AND YOUR SOLUTION IS TO COUNTER THIS PROBLEM WITH MORE SNTHETIC AND HIGHLY DANGEROUS DRUGS?? INSTEAD OF SIMPLY STOP INGESTING THAT POISONOUS CHEAP SUPERMARKET FOOD???

http://www.nutrition4health.org/NOHAnews/NNW95Excitoxins.htm

Please read the above link. Below is a quote from that page with the associated footnote:

As noted by Richard C. Henneberry, PhD, "I consider it ironic that the pharmaceutical industry is investing vast resources in the development of glutamate receptor blockers to protect [the central nervous system] neurons against glutamate neurotoxicity in common neurological disorders, while at the same time, the food industry, with the blessing of the FDA [Food and Drug Administration], continues to add great quantities of glutamate to the food supply."2

2 Hunter, Beatrice Trum, "The Neurotoxicity of Food Additives," Townsend Letter for Doctors, August/September 1994, p. 954.

Executive and FriendlyPA should be partners in intiating publishing a healthy counsious books for dummies, now that would be nice.

Executive and FriendlyPA should be partners in intiating publishing a healthy counsious books for dummies, now that would be nice.


I doubt that is likely to happen between the 2 of us. FriendlyPA is obviously biased and choses not to be informed about the blatant corruption that is deeply embedded within his chosen field.

The average american is NOT health conscious. They come into the doctor's office wanting a quick fix to a problem that they've created for themselves with their unhealthy lifestyle. Thus most health professionals, such as PA's and MD's, are trained to meet patient/consumer demand.

From personal experience in a pharmacy I've come to observe that on average people are LAZY. They'd rather pop a pill than change their diets or excercise regularly. In one way it's understandable, people lead hectic lives, working the 9 to 5, balancing family and other responsibilities....my dog ate my homework.

The information is out there, when the student is ready the teacher appears. I say: People need to quit the blame-game and victim mentality and take responsibility for their own health.

The average american is NOT health conscious. They come into the doctor's office wanting a quick fix to a problem that they've created for themselves with their unhealthy lifestyle. Thus most health professionals, such as PA's and MD's, are trained to meet patient/consumer demand.

From personal experience in a pharmacy I've come to observe that on average people are LAZY. They'd rather pop a pill than change their diets or excercise regularly. In one way it's understandable, people lead hectic lives, working the 9 to 5, balancing family and other responsibilities....my dog ate my homework.

The information is out there, when the student is ready the teacher appears. I say: People need to quit the blame-game and victim mentality and take responsibility for their own health.

Your absolutely right!! I blame the system!! All the supermarkets and kiosks making the regular cheap food soo widely available, thus making the regular food conglomerates richer and richer. The goverment doesn't have to spend as much money feeding its lower class unemployed and elderly. Imagine a world where Organic food was the norm, and the processed, preserved, toxic food was called "economy food". Imagine if the govn't discriminated? If they said "food stamps only cover "economy class food"!! See the picture? Noo but they rather make people think that "organic" is some specialy treated "abnormal luxury" that everyone can do without. WRONG, WRONG, and WRONG!! Organic is "normal, real food". Supermarket food and everything else, is poison! If something has been denatured, treated with chemicals in processing, it should NOT BE EATEN!!

But back to your response. Yes the mentality of the masses has been implanted very very deeply. Nobody suspects that the goverment can care less about their wellbeing. Everyone thinks their government is protecting them, as false as that it. The goverment isn't really trying to purposefully kill their citizens, however it is giving the private sector wayy too much leniency in putting profits ahead of consumer safety.

The "pop-a-pill" mentality has developed due to all the advertising thats poured into pharmaceutical marketing. That, plus your family doctor. The ignorant soul who thought he went to Med school to actually treat sick people HAHAAH!!! Not unless he works in the ER. Only in the Emergency room are doctors actually saving lives. People are living in a world where they assume getting sick is normal. Doctors are taught that sickness is INEVITABLE. My own brother in law who is a top surgeon (he is the dumbest doctor i ever spoke to). He always says never to ask him medical questions because is ONLY A SURGEON lol. He is a firm patriot to the sickness industry and pharma poison. He told me that he was taught in med school that for sick people, they have to "pick there poison". The sick are doomed and must chose the better of the options presented to them, even when both are deadly and dangerous. He also says that "when the doctors screw the patient up, they get sent to us to remove a body part and save their life". NOW SOMEONE TELL ME, WHAT KIND OF SICK PROFESSION IS THIS?? People are no different than animals or living slabs of BEEF!.

I noticed your statement about the "no magic bullet for obesity" right away. You obviously misinterpreted the reason for the Naloxone link. My point was NOT to develop drugs to mimick naloxone to treat obesity. My POINT WAS THAT IF NALOXONE IS ABLE TO STOP THESE UNNATURAL ADDICTION-LIKE CRAVINGS, THEN THE FOODS THAT THEY ARE CONSUMING HAVE SOMETHING IN COMMON WITH HEROINE LIKE OPIODES!!! NORMAL FOOD ASIDE FROM POPPY SEEDS SHOULD NOT HAVE OPIODE LIKE EFFECTS ON THE HUMAN BRAIN!!! MY POINT WAS THAT ALL THE HYDROLIZED PROTEINS DERIVED FROM WHEAT, YEAST AND OTHER SOURCES WITH OTHER ADDITIVES, ARE USED AS MISLEADING DISGUISED OPIODES THAT WERE PURPOSELY ADDED TO THE FOODS FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF MAKING THEM ADDICTIVE. THE FOOD INDUSTRY HAS RESEARCH AND DEVELOPEMENT LABS CONDUCTING TESTS ON WHAT MAKES FOODS MORE ADDICTIVE. THEY ARE MAKING FOODS MIND ALTERING AND HIGHLY ADDICTIVE!! AND YOUR SOLUTION IS TO COUNTER THIS PROBLEM WITH MORE SNTHETIC AND HIGHLY DANGEROUS DRUGS?? INSTEAD OF SIMPLY STOP INGESTING THAT POISONOUS CHEAP SUPERMARKET FOOD???

http://www.nutrition4health.org/NOHAnews/NNW95Excitoxins.htm

Please read the above link. Below is a quote from that page with the associated footnote:

As noted by Richard C. Henneberry, PhD, "I consider it ironic that the pharmaceutical industry is investing vast resources in the development of glutamate receptor blockers to protect [the central nervous system] neurons against glutamate neurotoxicity in common neurological disorders, while at the same time, the food industry, with the blessing of the FDA [Food and Drug Administration], continues to add great quantities of glutamate to the food supply."2

2 Hunter, Beatrice Trum, "The Neurotoxicity of Food Additives," Townsend Letter for Doctors, August/September 1994, p. 954.

Sorry...I misread your previous post.

Exec, i understand, i think.
Last Tuesday I accompanied a fellow bukharian lady to her doc, drove her there and accompanied her just incase she didn't pick up some of the English her doc spoke.

While we were in the waiting room, she is explaining to me how this one night she was sleeping, she wanted to turn to her other side, and when she did she felt this sudden pain run down her back (she motions and points to what is obviously her spinal column) and since then she feels slightly dizzy when she lays down to sleep and feels some pain in her upper back and shoulders.

Now get this: this is her 2nd appt, she pulls out from her purse Nasonex. This is her follow-up. I keep myself from laughing and ask why the doc prescribed this. She says for the dizziness, something about fluid in the ears hindering balance. Ok I think. Besides allergies, it may work on that, considering ear-nose-and throut are connected. Nurse calls her name, we walk in. Yadi-yadi-ya, "how are you feeling today?" usual chit-chat, she says yes the dizziness has reduced, put pain and discomfort still exist. Doc puts on emphatic face, makes eye contact with me then back to her, and says "I can prescribe something to help relieve the pain, but it's also going to relax you so it is taken close to bedtime."
I inquire which medication he has in mind. He answers 'Meclizine'. I nod in understanding. I read from her body language, that she is not genuinely satisfied with the doc's action plan, so I wait till he's done writing the script. "Doctor, I understand this will help with her discomfort, but what do you suppose is the cause of her pain?"...doc ain't sure, gives Jeopardy face. "What about a chiropractor, would you recommend seeing one?"...He says yes, that may help, and he writes down on another rx script the name of one he sees himself. I smile. "Doctor, if not for her daughters skill of persuasion on the last visit, she was hesitant to use the Nasonex, is there something more natural that you'd suggest?" Doc's says "She can take Melatonin, Benadryl also works well, it's used for allergies but the active ingredient is diphenhydramine which is what you'll find in many of the sleep aids."
Ahhhh, I said no more. That was my humor for the day. I am still asking myself what in benadryl makes it not a drug. The doc deserves benifit of the doubt, perhaps I wasn't as clear with my question. But still, during the drive back to her work-place I was venting my now boggled mind. She then said something to me in bukharian, and it stuck with me, keeping me up at night wondering what occupational path I've been on for so long....darned conscience:)
I look forward to accompanying her to this chiropractor next week. This should be interesting.

dang that's a long post:D

dang that's a long post:D


Your so cute :D. Actually Meclizine is an antihistamine that works on the brain to reduce vertigo "dizziness". Its funny how docs in the US immediately assume that dizziness is due to fluid in the inner ear, instead of nervous exhaustion requiring B vitamin injections. Even the definition for Menier's syndrome differs in the USA from other countries. Other countries say Meniers involves the brain's vestibular area that controls balance. In our "great nation" the doctors are taught that the first thing to "assume" is that fluid got into the inner ear (of course during a shower or swimming, common activities), and that is causing the dizziness. Well this is a perfect route to take these days which leads to MISDIAGNOSIS. Dizziness is usually one of the first signs of serious nervous system issues or metabolic problems. So the docs prescribe Meclizine (brand name Antivert), a decongestant, and a good old antibiotic for 10 days to "treat" the problem.

When he mentioned benedryl in regards to your question of other "natural" things she can take, I think he selectively heard "alternative" which he probably correlated to something "older" lol.. Its funny how antihistamines make a person drowsy by suppressing vitals thru their antihistaminergic action in the central nervous system. Which is NOT normal for going to sleep properly. Although melatonin is "natural", it is a borderline hormone that the brain secretes in tiny amounts at night, there is much we donot know about it including proper dosage, and its effect on the immune system, circadian rhythms and effect on other hormones. There are sooo many herbal sedative products available, in combination or alone. Even the German Commission E has approved the combination of Hops and Valerian in the treatment of insomnia.

Diphenihydramine (generic Benedryl) I would NOT CLASSIFY AS A SLEEP AID. Either you misunderstood the dialogue or this doctor was a complete fool. Now that I reread your post more carefully I realized that you claim he prescribed meclizine for pain? I am sure he prescribed it for vertigo. As far as him speaking of benedryl as a sleep aid, that is very stupid even for a doc. Docs usually prescribe Ambien as first line for insomnia. As far as for nervousness, its usually a benzodiazepine like valium, or klonopin (strong stuff, highly addictive too). Ahh yes, those years working a pharmacy, can't get the poison out of my head to this day :). And with this knowledge I vowe to help take this system down..:smoke:

Dang dude, you know more about drugs than I do.
I know a thing or two about tylenol to that depth, the rest I um have no good excuse:), shows how much I have yet to learn.

I doubt that is likely to happen between the 2 of us. FriendlyPA is obviously biased and choses not to be informed about the blatant corruption that is deeply embedded within his chosen field.

well how can one mock hie field?
i dont think you would. lol

Dang dude, you know more about drugs than I do.
I know a thing or two about tylenol to that depth, the rest I um have no good excuse:), shows how much I have yet to learn.


Ahh yes, Tylenol aka "Acetaminophen". The most potent liver destroyer that is probably used the most, unfortunately.. Whats even funnier is that the natural substance that is administered in hospitals in case of Acetaminophen poisoning is called N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC). Which is the body's major precursor to Glutathione which in itself is the body's major liver detoxifier/antioxidant. Both NAC and Glutathione can be purchased in the vitamin shoppe since they are endogenous amino acids that the liver simply ADORES :). And in this country NAC is administered in an emergency room in case of accidental or purposeful (suicide attempt) tylenol poisoning..How pathetic is that? By the way, just an fyi, it doesn't take much tylenol to quietly shutdown ones liver without them even knowing about it :). The moron doctors always prescribe it as opposed to Motrin because of Ibuprofen's stomach irritating potential. Well, stomach mucosa can be restored with some Vitamin A, as far as the liver.. Well as far as restoring hepatocytes, depending on the extent it could take years and thats with a healthy diet and supplementation, assuming one is health conscious and aware of the importance of the liver (the silent hero)..

Another good documentary on the corrupt drug industry, by the same producers as "side effects", its called "MONEY TALKS"" :D. You can check out the trailer:

http://moneytalksthemovie.com/