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Code9
06-12-2006, 01:55 PM
Last Shabbat, Rabbi Eli Mansour was making a seeum on gemara shkolim, and there was about 600+ people, 300 men and 300 women attending that event, including the chief Rabbi of Syrian Community. Rabbi Eli Mansour gave a shiur like usually every shabbat, and it was on an interesting topic. About Ger (Converts). He said that like 50 or more years ago, their Chief Rabbi has made an Edict with the approval of other Rabbis, that the Syria community DO NOT accept any gers (converts) under no condition.

Until this day, I believe the most closed up community are the syrians and they don't usually give out their daughters or sons to EVEN others jewish people, and certaintly not to gers. Because at current world.... we do not know who converts for the sake of heaven or for the sake of love.

What do you think of that?

alik_05
06-12-2006, 01:58 PM
hmm no wonder that why my rich siryans dont intermarry with another culture either. that explains it they do not want to own tradition to fade away.

yitzel4ritzel
06-12-2006, 05:47 PM
Last Shabbat, Rabbi Eli Mansour was making a seeum on gemara shkolim, and there was about 600+ people, 300 men and 300 women attending that event, including the chief Rabbi of Syrian Community. Rabbi Eli Mansour gave a shiur like usually every shabbat, and it was on an interesting topic. About Ger (Converts). He said that like 50 or more years ago, their Chief Rabbi has made an Edict with the approval of other Rabbis, that the Syria community DO NOT accept any gers (converts) under no condition.

Until this day, I believe the most closed up community are the syrians and they don't usually give out their daughters or sons to EVEN others jewish people, and certaintly not to gers. Because at current world.... we do not know who converts for the sake of heaven or for the sake of love.

What do you think of that?

That's pretty cool. Shows dedication toward their own traditions which I totally respect.

AGK
06-12-2006, 05:51 PM
That's pretty cool. Shows dedication toward their own traditions which I totally respect.
but a bit extreme, dont u think?

alik_05
06-12-2006, 05:54 PM
but a bit extreme, dont u think?

well thats because it was very much influenced by its own country and its laws.

yitzel4ritzel
06-12-2006, 08:57 PM
but a bit extreme, dont u think?

it might be extreme to you but its not to that community. Its the same with the pisati ppl. You MIGHT say that they are a bit too extreme about religion but for them its normal. So if the Syrian community decided on it, that means that its good for them and only them. :party39:

OceanofMemories
06-12-2006, 09:24 PM
Last Shabbat, Rabbi Eli Mansour was making a seeum on gemara shkolim, and there was about 600+ people, 300 men and 300 women attending that event, including the chief Rabbi of Syrian Community. Rabbi Eli Mansour gave a shiur like usually every shabbat, and it was on an interesting topic. About Ger (Converts). He said that like 50 or more years ago, their Chief Rabbi has made an Edict with the approval of other Rabbis, that the Syria community DO NOT accept any gers (converts) under no condition.

Until this day, I believe the most closed up community are the syrians and they don't usually give out their daughters or sons to EVEN others jewish people, and certaintly not to gers. Because at current world.... we do not know who converts for the sake of heaven or for the sake of love.

What do you think of that?

There is a big problem with converts, like you said, because we don't know what their real intentions are. I think that there is a group of Jews who accept them easily, and that's not too great either.
Sincere converts were born with a neshama, and they were given to Bnei Yisrael to beautify us. However, since it's really hard to tell which ones are sincere, then I don't blame the Syrians for wanting to stay within their own group of Jews.
As for the converts, they shouldn't feel bad for being excluded from the Syrians. They still have the rest of us in the world to marry.

WisePrince7
06-12-2006, 10:46 PM
There is a big problem with converts, like you said, because we don't know what their real intentions are. I think that there is a group of Jews who accept them easily, and that's not too great either.
Sincere converts were born with a neshama, and they were given to Bnei Yisrael to beautify us. However, since it's really hard to tell which ones are sincere, then I don't blame the Syrians for wanting to stay within their own group of Jews.
As for the converts, they shouldn't feel bad for being excluded from the Syrians. They still have the rest of us in the world to marry.

A chalacha is, actually, a ger must marry another ger.

donkorleon
06-13-2006, 02:55 AM
There is a big problem with converts, like you said, because we don't know what their real intentions are. I think that there is a group of Jews who accept them easily, and that's not too great either.
Sincere converts were born with a neshama, and they were given to Bnei Yisrael to beautify us. However, since it's really hard to tell which ones are sincere, then I don't blame the Syrians for wanting to stay within their own group of Jews.
As for the converts, they shouldn't feel bad for being excluded from the Syrians. They still have the rest of us in the world to marry.
kakaya ti dobraya, sebya predlagaesh..:innoc08: mejdu prochem converts are considered above the jewish people before the Gd

Tssipa
06-13-2006, 03:27 AM
mejdu prochem converts are considered above the jewish people before the Gd interesting to know. But even in this case, I'm happy that I was born Jewish.

OceanofMemories
06-13-2006, 05:43 PM
A chalacha is, actually, a ger must marry another ger.

must? and where was this brought down, o wise one?

WisePrince7
06-13-2006, 07:17 PM
must? and where was this brought down, o wise one?


Lets ask rabbi Ribacoff.

http://forums.boojle.com/showthread.php?t=4509

OceanofMemories
06-13-2006, 07:41 PM
Lets ask rabbi Ribacoff.

http://forums.boojle.com/showthread.php?t=4509

yea i think thats a good idea.

if it was halacha, do u think that the rabbis would just marry off a convert and a person born jewish???

WisePrince7
06-13-2006, 07:54 PM
yea i think thats a good idea.

if it was halacha, do u think that the rabbis would just marry off a convert and a person born jewish???

Well it says, I believe in Chumash, that the third generation ger can marry a born jew.

But lets see the rabbi's answer.

Code9
06-13-2006, 08:06 PM
Let's not forget, the grand grand mother of King David was a ger by the name of Ruth. And Messiah will be coming from King David's descendents.

IPG
06-14-2006, 12:41 PM
must? and where was this brought down, o wise one?
A ger should (prefferably) marry another ger but is not obligated to. I dont think There is no prohibition for a jew to marry a ger.