I stumbled upon this site (http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com). These are the ultra orthodox jews who believe that the Jewish State is forbidden to exist until the coming of the Messiah. This is pathetic :mad34:. Are they reading the same torah as the other jews? Who do they think they are. They think so high of themselves and are so arrogant, while in reality they are outcasts in all aspects, from their customs, beliefs, views, clothing, etc.

Visit their site: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com

what do you all think of this hassidic group that are anti-zionists? Do you agree or disagree?

I stumbled upon this site (http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com). These are the ultra orthodox jews who believe that the Jewish State is forbidden to exist until the coming of the Messiah. This is pathetic :mad34:. Are they reading the same torah as the other jews? Who do they think they are. They think so high of themselves and are so arrogant, while in reality they are outcasts in all aspects, from their customs, beliefs, views, clothing, etc.

Visit their site: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com

what do you all think of this hassidic group that are anti-zionists? Do you agree or disagree?


They are probably the wisest group of orthodox Jews. You see, they believe that if any individual or nation experiences obstacles and difficulties, those are signs that it is not meant for them to be in a certain place or sustain their current endeavors.

They have said that when the real time will come when the Jews merit the land of Israel, it will come to the people easily without bloodshed and all this chaos.

They are probably the wisest group of orthodox Jews. You see, they believe that if any individual or nation experiences obstacles and difficulties, those are signs that it is not meant for them to be in a certain place or sustain their current endeavors.

They have said that when the real time will come when the Jews merit the land of Israel, it will come to the people easily without bloodshed and all this chaos.


I would never call these people wisest just because they believe in something different than the mainstreem Jews ... These people have their own utopian philosophy. Can't blame them. On the other hand, however, even during Moses Jews had to fight with Amalek; later, when leadership was transfered to Yehoshua, Israelites had to cleansed the Land of Kanaan from its previous inhabitants.
King Saul was a warior, King David was a Warior.
Israel always was in war.

AFAIK, there are two hassidic groups that oppose the existence of Israel: Naturej Karta and Satmars, which are small minority among the hassids. Their opposition is based on their own interpretation of the Torah. That's it.

I have a lot of questions for them:

What makes these arrogant fools think that they are more right then others?
What would have happened to the million of Jews around the world had Israel not been restablished?
Would the Israel have survived thus far it was wrong to create it?

I think they are just a bunch of dillusional people who think that passively waiting for Messiah will get them something totally forgetting that Judaism is about both faith and action.

Guys, before you go into the name calling or debating this group, try to understand why they are against Israel.

At the core of all this is that the Zionist Nationalists through the efforts of which was established the State of Israel were the people devoid of the actual Judaism as a religion. These were secular Jews that acted in a similar fashion as communists. The creation of Israel is therefore considered by these Hasidic Jews as only a political body that can act on behalf of the secular Jews. Observing the overall population of Israel today one can note a complete severance from the religion. Intermarriages. Rebellious nature against Koshrut or Shabbat. One might say that even Bukharian jews living in America are more observant then those that are in Israel.

Now, understand, I am not against the state of Israel or admiring the cause of this Hasidic group. My opinion is that if we did take the land it would be foolish to give it up only years down the road expecting it to be handed back to us on a silver platter. Though it is discouraging to see that Israel today is not so much as a "holy" place but only a "state" of opportunities and a hiding place from antisemitism. I am sure that if Israel had a majority of its population as observant jews, even this hasidic sect would accept it today.

Jews against Zionism: The Hidden Protest
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