Аборт - морально или аморально, за и против???
И, вообще, с какого момента человек начинает жить - с момента зачатия, рождения или позже????

I'm for it...it's up to the mother of the baby to decide, not religion, nor government, imho.

I, personally, think that abortion should not be a way rectify stupidity. If, however, it is harmful to the mother's physical or mental state then, perhaps, something should be done about the unplanned, accidental pregnancy. But if two horny teenagers are irrisponsible enough to conceive a child, I think they should be forced by nature to grow up sooner rather than later by having to become parents. And if they mistreat this child I am a strong supporter of imprisonment. Plus, there are a lot of parents out there looking to adopt. And maybe if there were more people with enough heart not to kill a child, adoption would not have to take so much time or cost so much money.

I agree with AGK, its up to the woman!

Sizhu i chitayu posti DINAMITE interesno shto vse yevo posti otnosatsa k nijnei chasti jenskovo tela......perviy topic bil pro izmenchivih devochek , vtoroi pro ih devstvenost, tretiy pro abort. DINAMITE tebe nada ustroitsa ginikologom, takiye kak ti vsegda in demand. :)

Сижу и читаю пости ДИНАМИТЕ интересно што все ыево пости относатса к нийнеи части йенсково тела......первиы топиц бил про изменчивих девочек , второи про их девственост, третиы про аборт. ДИНАМИТЕ тебе нада устроитса гиникологом, такиые как ти всегда ин деманд. :)

:happy32: :fitgirl: :happy30:

As much as I think abortion is wrong, I think some people are better off not being born, especially if they are not wanted by their parents.

i just wrote a paper on this...Abortion is totally wrong...the only 2 exceptions are RAPE and a serious threat to the mother...i may also go along with it if it the kid had a genetic defect, meaning be mentally off or something.

G-d gave you the child, or you did something to have that child. The child is alive starting from conception...it is alive at that moment...it is murder to take its life...keep it alive and love it....if you cant, as someone stated, adoption is ALWAYS an option...

if i ever did something stupid and this resulted (not that this would happen before marriage), i would make sure to raise the child, even at my age...

И агрее wитх АГК, итс уп то тхе wоман!

Сижу и читаю пости ДИНАМИТЕ интересно што все ыево пости относатса к нийнеи части тела......первиы топиц бил про изменчивих девочек , второи про их девственост, третиы про аборт. ДИНАМИТЕ тебе нада устроитса гиникологом, такиые как ти всегда ин деманд. :)


Хижняя часть тела гавариш? и ето всё что ты заметила или обратила внимание, там столько всего написанно. памоему ты озабоченная.

this thread would be better with a poll

Хижняя часть тела гавариш? и ето всё что ты заметила или обратила внимание, там столько всего написанно. памоему ты озабоченная.

prosto hatela porekomendavat tebe po viboru koryeri....iz teba bi poluchilsa otlichniy ginikolog! You really look like you would care about your job a lot! Tell me is there anything better then a passionate employee?:charac72:

prosto hatela porekomendavat tebe po viboru koryeri....iz teba bi poluchilsa otlichniy ginikolog! You really look like you would care about your job a lot! Tell me is there anything better then a passionate employee?:charac72:



И снова ты подтвердила моё мнение.

............ABORTION is WRong..........

И снова ты подтвердила моё мнение.

Tebe nado pomenat svoyo ima ot DINAMITE to GYNIKOLOG!:happy65:

Тебе надо поменат своё има от ДИНАМИТЕ то ГЫНИКОЛОГ!:хаппы65:


Ну Ты будеш моей первой и паследней пациэнткой. Согласна?

Ну Ты будеш моей первой и паследней пациэнткой. Согласна?
if you do treat your first and last patient, make sure you don't get caught "treating" her, unlicensed gynecologists can get jail time :happy08:

I am definately against abortion, but i know many ppl abort because they cannot afford the baby or are unsure about their relationship progressing.

I am totally against it. if one was stupid enough have unprotected sex, and doesn't want to have the baby, give it up for adoption don't kill the poor thing

Ну Ты будеш моей первой и паследней пациэнткой. Согласна?

I am honored by your offer, but I think I will have to decline. I don't trust rookies. :)

I am honored by your offer, but I think I will have to decline. I don't trust rookies. :)


It was your idea, I just desided to make it a life. No ya bi tochno stal pervim i paslednim genekolagom v tvoyey zhizni.

no comment to mine?

dude, i agree with u a million percent...kids have sex at 13 and 3 children by the time they are 16...are u willing to okay killing all 3? no way...are u willing to allow the irresponsible 16 year old to raise 3 kids? no way...thats why we have the wonderful world of adoption...sooo many people want a kid and cant have one...why not make someone happy and give it to them...on top of that, u save all the regret, depression, and psychological problems to come from abortion later....

dude, i agree with u a million percent...kids have sex at 13 and 3 children by the time they are 16...are u willing to okay killing all 3? no way...are u willing to allow the irresponsible 16 year old to raise 3 kids? no way...thats why we have the wonderful world of adoption...sooo many people want a kid and cant have one...why not make someone happy and give it to them...on top of that, u save all the regret, depression, and psychological problems to come from abortion later....

vot bratan, spasiba, you've made my day. I was waiting for somebody to either agree with me so I have a common ground, or disagree so I could prove them wrong haha

That's killing a human being, if you can make one you should be responsible enough to bring it into this world.

Unless it happened against your will, with an unfortunate event in your life.

Dont KILL the baby........Adopt it if you dont want IT!!!!

Dont KILL the baby........Adopt it if you dont want IT!!!!

you mean give it up for adoption, so that someone else can adopt it?


If so, I agree with you.

yea thats what i mean, i'm sure there are those other ppl that cant have children and would love to have one through adoption

i'll adopt you ruthy...LMAO

Im Sry Rob But Ruthy Is Already Under My Custody :)

LMFAO HAHA HAHA very funny.........talk with my parents i dont think they wanna adopt me just yet....and if they were to i'm gonna cost a lot of money lol........which u probaby wouldnt afford anyway haha lol

haha very funny polly.....lol

abortion isnt right unless under certain circumstances

abortion isnt right unless under certain circumstances

yeah unfortunate life events, where a woman has been raped and ended up pregnant.

or the doctors tell her to terminate the pregnancy or she will die giving birth.

those are the only 2 reasons where it may be acceptable.

yea i agreee

i would add for genetic reasons as well...if the child will definately be down syndromed..i would terminate too

i would add for genetic reasons as well...if the child will definately be down syndromed..i would terminate too

ouch i dont know if thats allowed halachakaly thas cruel tho

I've seen abortions done...let me tell you, it's very emotional to do them. But even if that's the case, I think each case should be taken individually, and the ultimate decision (no matter what you or I may think) should be made by 2 parents.

the decision will not be due to the two parents if my man Bush makes it illegal...

and by that, i mean the Supreme Court...

no i disagree with rob on this one, you shouldnt aboard a child if you know it will be born with down syndromed just adopt it when its born!

no i disagree with rob on this one, you shouldnt aboard a child if you know it will be born with down syndromed just adopt it when its born!
aboard? I'm assuming you mean abort. I don't mean to be harsh, but why would anyone take the burden of adopting a child with down syndrome? Living with down syndrome or any other mental retardation is no fun for the caretakers and for that individual. If the fetus is aborted early enough for that reason of mental and/or physical defects, I think that's the better of the 2 choices than to suffer a lifelong life of misery and problems.

For those who believe that abortion is wrong, no matter what...here is my theory on it... think of God as a CEO of a corporation and we are the workers who are using the method that the CEO gave us to create that item that we're supposed to. So if you are in the process of creating and suddenly you find out from a specialist that the product you are creating will be defected, will you stop with the production and try again from scratch or will you say...oh no, my CEO will punish me if I stop now, I must do this even if I know it wont function as it's supposed to. In the real world, obviously, the worker would either fix the problem or discard the item in production right away. We are told that God is so perfect and we are an image of Him, then I doubt that He'll be punishing those who abort the defected fetuses. Now if in reality all babies would be perfect like God Himself, then I would say we don't need abortion...unfortunately this isn't an ideal world, so get real! ;)

yea i meant abord..... but i still think its wrong.....any baby comes from g-d its not your place to kill it..........unless its like a Tragedy.....or if anything you should ask a rabbi if the chalacha allows it...

yea i meant abord..... but i still think its wrong.....any baby comes from g-d its not your place to kill it..........unless its like a Tragedy.....or if anything you should ask a rabbi if the chalacha allows it...
but we are the ones who decide to have the baby or not. Not God. If we don't want the baby, what does God have to do with this? As I said in my previous post, God gives us the ability to have the baby, we are given the choice to have the baby or not. I mean there are billions of humans in this world at one point in time, do you think he would care if the defected was born or not? It would be a different story if this world would be more efficient. Think about it, we are overpopulated. God's wish of having us be fruitful and multiply has been accomplished. We either need more space or we need to slow down our fruitful ways.

okay..............umm.....thats not true.......ask yourself why did g-d specifically give u that child...he could have given you a perfectly normal and healthy one..but he didnt, it just happens to be that chalachaly your allowed to (abord a child if its disable) what you wrote about b4 regarding that its our choice thats not true

Ultra Orthodox Jews get defective children as well. Now do we have any people more obedient to God then they?

That's why we can technically have an unlimited amount of babies, if one attempt fails or isn't something we were hoping for, we can try again. Now if we would have a very small and predetermined amount of babies the females could have during their lifetime, then it would be a different case....

look......i'm not gonna agrue with you on this matter.......lets hope you never get stuck into that situation but if you g-d forbide......go to a RABBI then definalty know more than me =] but when its regarding 16 yr olds not wanting to take responsibilies for there actions abortion is wrong ...tht's my opinion in some cases i would agree abortion is the only way out...

when its regarding 16 yr olds not wanting to take responsibilies for there actions abortion is wrong ...tht's my opinion in some cases i would agree abortion is the only way out...we are not arguing, we are discussing... and yes, the excerpt I quoted from you is I agree with it...thats what i was trying to say all this time, abortion shouldn't be completely excluded as an option, but it shouldn't be taken lightly either.

okay well thats what i meant.....u shouldnt take it lightly but in some cases it better off that way....

In fact, if one were to abort a child with Down's (considering that he/she finds out early enough), you can spend the same money and resources to bring up at least 2 children. So in this sense, you might actually be doing good from Chalachical point of view.

i just wrote a paper on this...Abortion is totally wrong...the only 2 exceptions are RAPE and a serious threat to the mother...i may also go along with it if it the kid had a genetic defect, meaning be mentally off or something.

G-d gave you the child, or you did something to have that child. The child is alive starting from conception...it is alive at that moment...it is murder to take its life...keep it alive and love it....if you cant, as someone stated, adoption is ALWAYS an option...

if i ever did something stupid and this resulted (not that this would happen before marriage), i would make sure to raise the child, even at my age...

should children ("The child is alive starting from conception") be responsible for the sins (if rape is a sin) of their parents?
if yes, do they have to pay for the "sin" with their life?
vopross na razmishlenie.

should children ("The child is alive starting from conception") be responsible for the sins (if rape is a sin) of their parents?
if yes, do they have to pay for the "sin" with their life?
vopross na razmishlenie.


The thing is that the child is a result of rape right? you say the child/fetus/embryo is innocent? i STRONGLY disagree...it is HALF of the father, right? The father is a criminal...the child is half criminal...the father started the act of harming lady, but the child is continuing...by giving birth to the child, the child will always remind the mother of what transgressed...the child is just as guilty as the father...the father was an active attacker and the child is a passive attacker...

If the mother will die giving birth, we say it is okay to abort, why? because we consider the child as someone that is ATTACKING the mother, and so the mother has a right to defend herself...

but how is an unborn child the attacker? the child is put unto this earth without his consent. so why would he be the passive attacker?

yeah that doesnt make sense everyone is responsible for their own actions why would u blame the child that's a warped idea very wormwood

because the child is HALF of the father, and being that the father is the full offender, the child is half of an offender (this may not sound smart to you, but this is one of the biggest arguments used in the abortion debate)...the way they see it is that it is a continuous act and since the child is the result of the act that INITIATED through rape, the child is a continuation of that act and so is also an evil...just like the father

because the child is HALF of the father, and being that the father is the full offender, the child is half of an offender (this may not sound smart to you, but this is one of the biggest arguments used in the abortion debate)...the way they see it is that it is a continuous act and since the child is the result of the act that INITIATED through rape, the child is a continuation of that act and so is also an evil...just like the father
I won't argue with this theory, but to me it makes no sense

there's nothing to argue about here I know i am right and I don't need Americans , who are the most unethical ppl on this planet, to try to even start telling me what is right and wrong

arent u an american?

arent u an american?

no I am jewish

LOL, being Jewish does not exclude u from being an american...one is a religion, the other is a nationality

LOL, being Jewish does not exclude u from being an american...one is a religion, the other is a nationality

I don't care, major point is their priorities are messed up we as Jews should go ask a RABBI if we want to do anything and not an ethicist (if u want to laugh read nytimes ethics section)

NY times has an ethics section? i prescribe and have never seen that

NY times has an ethics section? i prescribe and have never seen that

lol yeah.......they do.....look harder next time =]

wow. Ruthy, I can't believe you said "no I'm Jewish" haha. I had a good laugh

that wasnt Ruthy, that was Polly

oh my bad.

LMFAO>.........yea it wasnt RuTHY =] thanks for taking my back on this one Robert.......lol

So would it be wrong?
If a woman has to have an abortion. Her doctor tells her that if she is not to terminate the pregnancy both baby and mother will not survive?

Are prolife people against that too? They want the mother to die?

i dont think its wrong...if its threatening the mother.......idk i would assume ur allowed to abort the baby.......but i'll double check....for u=]

i dont think its wrong...if its threatening the mother.......idk i would assume ur allowed to abort the baby.......but i'll double check....for u=]


lmao... dont double check for me.. i am not the one thats pregnant.. that was a persay situation for those who say abortion is wrong under any circumstances....

would it be wrong if it was life threatenin to the mother?

lol duh......i know ur not pregent i was reffering to u personally....lol i was saying that i would answer ur question lol.....like may sure my opinion was correct =]

lol duh......i know ur not pregent i was reffering to u personally....lol i was saying that i would answer ur question lol.....like may sure my opinion was correct =]


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