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Jew4Life
07-21-2005, 05:03 PM
Police to Check Bags on NYC Subways

NEW YORK - Police will begin random searches of bags and packages carried by people entering city subways, officials announced Thursday after a new series of bomb attacks in London.

Passengers carrying bags will be selected at random before they pass through turnstiles, and those who refuse to be searched won't be allowed to ride, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said.

"We just live in a world where, sadly, these kinds of security measures are necessary," Mayor Michael Bloomberg said. "Are they intrusive? Yes, a little bit. But we are trying to find that right balance."

The announcement drew complaints from civil liberties advocates in a city where an estimated 4.5 million passengers ride the subway on an average weekday. The system has more than 468 stations — most with multiple entrances — and the flood of commuters hurrying in and out of stations during rush hour can be overwhelming.

Kelly stressed that officers posted at subway entrances would not engage in racial profiling, and that passengers are free to "turn around and leave." He also downplayed the possibility of bottlenecks at subway entrances.

Officials declined to specify how frequently the checks would occur. The inspections are scheduled to be in place by rush hour on Friday. Authorities said bus and commuter train passengers will also be checked.

William K. Williams, a 56-year-old Manhattan resident who rides the train every day, said such security measures — while inconvenient — are a way of life now.

"It doesn't bother me — I mean, the whole state of things bothers me — but it's just part and parcel of the world we live in," said Williams, who was carrying a briefcase outside the Brooklyn Bridge station of the subway.

Similar types of random searches of subway passengers have prompted criticism from civil liberties groups in other cities, and in some cases have been challenged in court.

The New York Civil Liberties Union said the searches violate basic rights and will inconvenience New Yorkers, but the group stopped short of threatening a legal challenge.

"The NYPD can and should investigate any suspicious activity, but the Fourth Amendment prohibits police from conducting searches where there is no suspicion of criminal activity," executive director Donna Lieberman said.

Kelly said passengers selected for searches will be approached by officers, who will ask them what they are carrying, and request them to open their bags. If an officer looking for explosives finds some other form of contraband, police said that person would be subject to arrest.

Andrew Morris, a 57-year-old New Yorker who had a large bag slung over his shoulder Thursday, said he would consent to a search if asked, but added that the extra security measures are essentially useless.

"I think these terrorists go where it's easiest to go, so if you make it hard on the subway, they'll go where we're weak," Morris said.

Williams predicted the new searches would frustrate New Yorkers, not exactly known for their patience.

"Sometimes you need to get to an appointment, you're running late and a cop stops you to delay you even further? That's going to create a mess," he said.

Shoshy
07-21-2005, 09:03 PM
Intrusive or useless as it may be, we need it. In Israel every big store or Mall has security checking bags. Many terrorist acts have been avoided that way. Not to compare the size of Israel to the US or the greater possibilty of it happening, I think the checking is good and should continue.

Mona Lisa
07-21-2005, 11:47 PM
I take the subway everyday..........It will be very annoying if a cop checks my bag, because I have a problem with punctuality as it is and the whole check thing will make me even more late. I think they should just install security scanners before people enter, it will be less chaotic and more effective.

LubiMChickS
07-24-2005, 11:55 PM
I was checked twice on friday. I was late for about 15min to work due to this...

goldenmalach
07-26-2005, 09:00 PM
I think it's a great idea that they are checking. No matter how annoying at least u can travel with a peace of mind. Even though everything is in Hashem's hands and the police can't do anything unless Hashem wants it. We still have to take the measure to protect ourselves.

QueenofLilies
07-27-2005, 03:52 AM
I was checked twice on friday. I was late for about 15min to work due to this...
You are one of lucky ones...I heard ppl stay for more than that

Jew4Life
07-27-2005, 11:05 AM
I was checked on Monday at 42nd Street Station. It took about 20minutes...

SokolinyiGlaz
07-27-2005, 11:19 AM
И wас чэцкэд он Мондаы ат 42нд Стрээт Статион. Ит тоок абоут 20минутэс...
что ты им показался подозрительным? :innoc04:

Jew4Life
07-27-2005, 12:10 PM
что ты им показался подозрительным? :innoc04:
lol, who knows... :conf:

LubiMChickS
07-27-2005, 02:21 PM
You are one of lucky ones...I heard ppl stay for more than that
I have a friend who looks Muslims but he is Albanian, they almost arested tehy guy after taking him to a near police station to see his records...